------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Daedalus Rising To: All Subject: The Media Date: Tue Sep 06 16:03:56 CDT 1994 Message number: 1 Reply to message number: 0 The media is the middle pillar of democracy; freedom of speech and the press is what is supposed to keep our government honest. This is a base to discuss the media, and their place in our society. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: That damned liberal media Date: Sun Oct 20 16:59:43 CDT 1996 Message number: 2 Reply to message number: 1 DR> I say we boycot *both* papers and get all our news from Rush Limbaugh and DR> Joe Soucheray!! WAHOO! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: That damned liberal media Date: Mon Oct 21 01:41:22 CDT 1996 Message number: 3 Reply to message number: 1 DR> That damned liberal media did it again, the Pioneer Press went out and DR> endoresed the embarassibgly ultra-liberal Rudy Boscwitz for Senate. DR> DR> I say we boycot *both* papers and get all our news from Rush Limbaugh and DR> Joe Soucheray!! DR> I had the same thought. But if the PP is liberal, what should we call the Strib, who endorsed Clinton? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SPECTER To: Froggy Subject: Re: That damned liberal media Date: Mon Oct 21 11:16:57 CDT 1996 Message number: 4 Reply to message number: 3 F> I had the same thought. But if the PP is liberal, what should we F> call the Strib, who endorsed Clinton? Communists. Those darn Star Trib commies let's burn 'em all. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Specter Subject: Re: That damned liberal media Date: Mon Oct 21 11:58:09 CDT 1996 Message number: 5 Reply to message number: 4 F> I had the same thought. But if the PP is liberal, what should we F> call the Strib, who endorsed Clinton? S> S> Communists. Those darn Star Trib commies let's burn 'em all. Wow. This is really getting weird. The republicans say that Clinton is stealing all *their* ideas, and now he is endorsed by a *Commie* newspaper. Nothing is as simple as it used to be. Jow McCarthy KNEW who all the Commies really were. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Froggy Subject: Re: That damned liberal media Date: Mon Oct 21 16:37:49 CDT 1996 Message number: 6 Reply to message number: 3 DR> I say we boycot *both* papers and get all our news from Rush Limbaugh and DR> Joe Soucheray!! DR> F> I had the same thought. But if the PP is liberal, what should we F> call the Strib, who endorsed Clinton? Expedient. The Strib is tolerable, at least. The paper is sort of by and for the yuppiecrats, suburban democrats who try to feel for the colored people and the poor people ... but 9 times out of 10, end up missing the point. That's not liberal, but it's certainly not conservative either. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SANDMAN To: FROGGY Subject: Re: That damned liberal m Date: Wed Oct 23 12:58:09 CDT 1996 Message number: 7 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Froggy to Daedalus Rising <=- DR> That damned liberal media did it again, the Pioneer Press went out and DR> endoresed the embarassibgly ultra-liberal Rudy Boscwitz for Senate. DR> DR> I say we boycot *both* papers and get all our news from Rush Limbaugh an DR> Joe Soucheray!! DR> Fr> I had the same thought. But if the PP is liberal, what Fr> should we call the Strib, who endorsed Clinton? The pioneer press also endorsed Clinton. Perhaps they just want to be different? ... Backup not found: (A)bort (R)etry (S)lap nearest innocent bystander. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Sandman Subject: Re: That damned liberal m Date: Fri Oct 25 15:32:00 CDT 1996 Message number: 8 Reply to message number: 7 S> The pioneer press also endorsed Clinton. S> S> Perhaps they just want to be different? They're just being bizarre. I've given up on the Pioneer Press, their fawning Coleman coverage was bad enough ... but now this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLICK SNAIL To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: That damned liberal media Date: Sun Oct 27 07:50:15 CST 1996 Message number: 9 Reply to message number: 1 DR> I say we boycot *both* papers and get all our news from Rush Limbaugh and DR> Joe Soucheray!! Rush?!? heh.. That's a joke right? Why would you want to get your news from ANY biosed source? Be it the Press, or Rush. Honestly, I am not going to vote again this year. And I will continue to not vote (at leat for president) until someone who I really think is honest runs. Seeing as how that will never happen... Well. Actually I might go vote for the crybaby Wellstone. He's like the peoples candidate. He's the only person running that I think is honest about what he wants. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLICK SNAIL To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: That damned liberal m Date: Sun Oct 27 07:52:55 CST 1996 Message number: 10 Reply to message number: 8 S> The pioneer press also endorsed Clinton. Really though.. Who else is there to vote for?? A war hero? He is VERY smart, and probably know=s politics like anyone. What about foreign relations though?? Who the hell wants to talk to this guy? Who the hell is gonna get a good impression from him? He's a friggen nerdy, no personality, poophead. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: All Subject: Endorsements Date: Sun Oct 27 09:52:39 CST 1996 Message number: 11 Reply to message number: unavailable Today's Strib endorsed Wellstone, along with a suspiciously "liberal" Editorial page of Letters. They also said frankly that Wellstone was a Liberal with liberal values, and that he represents Minnesota far more than -- who was that other guy again? Oh yes, they were kind of hard on him, pointing out that in all the time Boscwitz was in office, he showed no particular interest in welfare reform, election reform, or any of the issues that he is criticizing Wellstone for today. In another article, the paper said that a woman had called the Strib saying that she wouldn't even carry her garbage out in the PP since it had endorsed Boschwitz. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Slick Snail Subject: Re: That damned liberal media Date: Mon Oct 28 01:47:18 CST 1996 Message number: 12 Reply to message number: 9 DR> I say we boycot *both* papers and get all our news from Rush Limbaugh and DR> Joe Soucheray!! SS> SS> SS> Rush?!? heh.. That's a joke right? Why would you want to get your news f SS> ANY biosed source? Be it the Press, or Rush. There's always bias out there. The problem is, most sources aren't up front about their biases and who they've been bought and sold by. SS> Honestly, I am not going to SS> vote again this year. And I will continue to not vote (at leat for preside SS> until someone who I really think is honest runs. Seeing as how that will SS> never happen... Well. There are about a dozen people on the ballot for President this year. Surely you can find *one* who's worth voting for, eh? I know one person who's running personally, I can vouch for his honesty. he may be an oddball at times, but he'll surely tell you what he thinks. Here's his web page, with a bit of info on his campaign (which mainly centers around the legalization of marijuana for, at least, agricultural and medical uses). href="http://www.visi.com/~coffee/ig/ His name is John Birrenbach, under the Indepdendent Grassroots Party banner. SS> Actually I might go vote for the crybaby Wellstone. He's like the peoples SS> candidate. He's the only person running that I think is honest about what SS> wants. Yep, I tend to think the same way. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Slick Snail Subject: Re: That damned liberal media Date: Mon Oct 28 10:01:45 CST 1996 Message number: 13 Reply to message number: 9 DR> I say we boycot *both* papers and get all our news from Rush Limbaugh and DR> Joe Soucheray!! SS> SS> SS> Rush?!? heh.. That's a joke right? Why would you want to get your news f SS> ANY biosed source? Be it the Press, or Rush. Honestly, I am not going to You really need to get to know this guy more.. Ah, erik.. He is different.. that is good. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Slick Snail Subject: Re: That damned liberal m Date: Mon Oct 28 10:02:37 CST 1996 Message number: 14 Reply to message number: 10 SS> though?? Who the hell wants to talk to this guy? Who the hell is gonna ge SS> good impression from him? He's a friggen nerdy, no personality, poophead. From clintion? Apperantly a lot of people have. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Froggy Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Mon Oct 28 10:03:19 CST 1996 Message number: 15 Reply to message number: 11 F> Today's Strib endorsed Wellstone, along with a suspiciously "libera Speaking of Endorsements.. My father, and my grandfather went to see Mr Clinton. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Starfox Subject: Re: That damned liberal m Date: Mon Oct 28 11:46:49 CST 1996 Message number: 16 Reply to message number: 14 SS> though?? Who the hell wants to talk to this guy? Who the hell is gonna ge SS> good impression from him? He's a friggen nerdy, no personality, poophead. S> S> From clintion? Apperantly a lot of people have. Nerdy? Poophead? I thought he was talking about Dole. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Starfox Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Mon Oct 28 11:47:21 CST 1996 Message number: 17 Reply to message number: 15 F> Today's Strib endorsed Wellstone, along with a suspiciously "libera S> S> Speaking of Endorsements.. My father, and my grandfather went to see Mr S> Clinton. Sigh. I wish I could have. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SPECTER To: Starfox Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Mon Oct 28 14:49:42 CST 1996 Message number: 18 Reply to message number: 15 S> Speaking of Endorsements.. My father, and my grandfather went to see Mr S> Clinton. Ahh! I really wanted to go to that just for the experience. I had school though. Oh well it's not that important. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SPECTER To: Froggy Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Mon Oct 28 14:55:03 CST 1996 Message number: 19 Reply to message number: 11 F> Editorial page of Letters. They also said frankly that Wellstone was a F> Liberal with liberal values, and that he represents Minnesota far more than F> who was that other guy again? Oh yes, they were kind of hard on him, pointi Woo Hoo! I've been wondering why no one seems to bring up that Minnesota tends to be a liberal state. Also why people don't really stand up and proudly state that they are liberal, I felt that in this election many liberals seemed to be avoiding that label like the plague even though I see nothing wrong with being liberal. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Specter Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Mon Oct 28 16:45:00 CST 1996 Message number: 20 Reply to message number: 19 S> Woo Hoo! I've been wondering why no one seems to bring up that Minnesota S> tends to be a liberal state. Also why people don't really stand up and S> proudly state that they are liberal, I felt that in this election many S> liberals seemed to be avoiding that label like the plague even though I see S> nothing wrong with being liberal. Because I am not the kind of "liberal" that is getting all of the bad press, and I won't claim it. Neither do I think that the other group is really "conservative." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SANDMAN To: FROGGY Subject: Endorsements Date: Mon Oct 28 18:06:04 CST 1996 Message number: 21 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Froggy to All <=- Fr> Fr> Today's Strib endorsed Wellstone, along with a suspiciously Fr> "liberal" Editorial page of Letters. They also said frankly that Fr> Wellstone was a Liberal with liberal values, and that he represents Fr> Minnesota far more than -- who was that other guy again? Oh yes, they Fr> were kind of hard on him, pointing out that in all the time Boscwitz Fr> was in office, he showed no particular interest in welfare reform, Fr> election reform, or any of the issues that he is criticizing Wellstone Fr> for today. In another article, the paper said that a woman had called Fr> the Strib saying that she wouldn't even carry her garbage out in the PP Fr> since it had endorsed Boschwitz. :) What the hell is Rudy going to do in Washington? Jewish mixer parties? Will he be the token Jew of the Religious Right? One of Ralph Reed's "Conservative Catholic, Conservative Jew, and Conservative Evangelical Christian" commanders? Revenge is Rudy's only desire. Hmmm..Will he punish us for no re-electing him 1990? ... NO CARRIER...but I've got 2 destroyers and a frigate ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Sandman Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Tue Oct 29 02:30:22 CST 1996 Message number: 22 Reply to message number: 21 S> What the hell is Rudy going to do in Washington? S> S> Revenge is Rudy's only desire. S> That is the gist of it. The Republican National Committee has been pulling out all stops to get him reelected because he is such an effective fundraiser. You don't have to be a Jew to attend one of his mixers, you have to be rich and bring your check book. He also votes as part of the Caucus, althought there were times that I would have sworn that he knew absolutely nothing about the bills he was voting on. I also don't think he is exactly a darling of the Religious Right. After all, he *is* a Jew. I notice that with all of his venom, he is staying out of the arena that caused him so much grief last election -- when he claimed that Wellstone was a bad Jew. In fact, I haven't heard a lot about religion from him at all. He will just roll with the punches while other republicans carry the banners. S> Hmmm..Will he punish us for no re-electing him 1990? S> Not if we don't let him. Since I was having car troubles and nearly missed the Primary, I ordered an Absentee Ballot for the General. Is everyone properly registered to vote next Tuesday? Do you have the right ID to register at the polls? Get it right now, so there won't be so much confusion Tuesday. He can't punish us if we all show up to vote against him now. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Sandman Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Tue Oct 29 17:05:03 CST 1996 Message number: 23 Reply to message number: 21 S> What the hell is Rudy going to do in Washington? S> S> Jewish mixer parties? Nope, he and Rod Grams are going to hit all the singles bars and go trolling for virile, family values-loving women. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Froggy Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Tue Oct 29 17:13:20 CST 1996 Message number: 24 Reply to message number: 22 S> Hmmm..Will he punish us for no re-electing him 1990? S> F> Not if we don't let him. Since I was having car troubles and nearl F> missed the Primary, I ordered an Absentee Ballot for the General. Is everyo F> properly registered to vote next Tuesday? Do you have the right ID to F> register at the polls? Get it right now, so there won't be so much confusio F> Tuesday. He can't punish us if we all show up to vote against him now. For that matter, if anyone has time at all on Monday and Tuesday - there are DFL campaigns all over that are looking for help to get people to the polls. It can be as complex as doorknocking, or as simple as hanging doorhangers on Monday night. Besides that, there's always the phonebanks :-) If you have school, that's fine ... what about Monday night? If you have even a few hours, I'm sure that the local campaigns could use the help dropping literature. If not that, Wellstone's office is puching big-time for help too. And no, I'm not just preaching ... after my test Monday morning, I'll be working straight through `till the polls close on Tuesday night. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Tue Oct 29 18:44:35 CST 1996 Message number: 25 Reply to message number: 24 DR> For that matter, if anyone has time at all on Monday and Tuesday - there a DR> DFL campaigns all over that are looking for help to get people to the polls DR> It can be as complex as doorknocking, or as simple as hanging doorhangers o DR> Monday night. Besides that, there's always the phonebanks :-) DR> Even out here in the hinterlands, we have been lit dropping. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SANDMAN To: FROGGY Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Wed Oct 30 23:57:56 CST 1996 Message number: 26 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Froggy to Sandman <=- S> What the hell is Rudy going to do in Washington? S> Revenge is Rudy's only desire. S> Fr> That is the gist of it. The Republican National Committee Fr> has been pulling out all stops to get him reelected because he is such Fr> an effective fundraiser. You don't have to be a Jew to attend one of Fr> his mixers, you have to be rich and bring your check book. He also Fr> votes as part of the Caucus, althought there were times that I would Fr> have sworn that he knew absolutely nothing about the bills he was Fr> voting on. All the RNC wants are people with R's next to their names. Have you heard about Arthur J. Finklestein? He's the gay republican ad-man that works for the likes of Jesse Helms, Don Nickles and other Anti-Gay Republicans. Fr> I also don't think he is exactly a darling of the Religious Fr> Right. After all, he *is* a Jew. I notice that with all of his Fr> venom, he is staying out of the arena that caused him so much grief Fr> last election -- when he claimed that Wellstone was a bad Jew. In Fr> fact, I haven't heard a lot about religion from him at all. He will Fr> just roll with the punches while other republicans carry the banners. He is a jew, but I've heard Ralph "I'M A BIG BOY NOW!" Reed state that he has hopes for the conservative candidate in Minnesota. Ralphy is also fond of stating that the Christian Coalition is the voice for "Conservative Catholics, Jews, and Christians". The old Divide and Conquer strategy. Place Conservative Jews in command & control of all Jews. Place Conservative Catholics in command & control of all Catholics. Place Conservative Christians in command & control over everybody else in the entire nation. Alittle paraniod, but what the hell! The biggest problem for Boschwitz is precisely what you said. He hasn't talked about anything. No religion, no welfare, no environment, no nothing. All he has talked about is attacks on Wellstone and by many accounts this will cost him the election. One down and Rod Grams to go. ... Be sure to use DEVICE=EXXON to screw up your environment. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Sandman Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Thu Oct 31 12:09:17 CST 1996 Message number: 27 Reply to message number: 26 S> Have you heard about Arthur J. Finklestein? S> He's the gay republican ad-man that works for the likes of Jesse S> Helms, Don Nickles and other Anti-Gay Republicans. S> I had heard the name, but hadn't made this connection. Money do talk loud, don't it. S> He is a jew, but I've heard Ralph "I'M A BIG BOY NOW!" Reed state S> that he has hopes for the conservative candidate in Minnesota. S> No, I haven't heard that. Well, it's a fact that Wellstone is Ralphy's enemy, and since both Boschwitz and Wellstone are Jews, he may figure that Boschwitz is the safest bet. Maybe he hasn't heard that he doesn't have enough money to impress B. S> The old Divide and Conquer strategy. S> Place Conservative Jews in command & control of all Jews. S> Place Conservative Catholics in command & control of all Catholics. S> Place Conservative Christians in command & control over everybody S> else in the entire nation. S> Alittle paraniod, but what the hell! Fortunately, there are a lot of us out here who see things like this and won't let them happen. S> The biggest problem for Boschwitz is precisely what you said. S> He hasn't talked about anything. No religion, no welfare, no S> environment, no nothing. What makes me so mad is the way he has been depending on catch-phrases that are often wrong, including deliberately manipulated. For example, his ads repeatedly say that Wellstone voted against Workfare. That isn't exactly true. Wellstone *did* vote against the last couple of Republican bills, which basically threw people off of welfare without support or understanding in any way. However, he also authored a bill of his own to help ease people off of welfare and into jobs. It contained things like child care, sliding medical care, education, and other things people need to go to work and get off welfare. It was voted down in committee. S> One down and Rod Grams to go. S> I am not so confident. It is awfully close for this close to the election. Wellstone still needs all the handshaking, phone calling, etc. he can get. Out of state Republicans have really been firing on Wellstone and Mary Reider big time. Rod Grams ought to be easier. For my personal opinion about who should replace him, send e-mail. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SANDMAN To: DAEDALUS RISING Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Fri Nov 01 13:13:05 CST 1996 Message number: 28 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Daedalus Rising to Sandman <=- S> What the hell is Rudy going to do in Washington? S> S> Jewish mixer parties? DR> Nope, he and Rod Grams are going to hit all the singles bars and go DR> trolling for virile, family values-loving women. Isn't randy Rod recently divorced? I'm sure he'll get remarried as soon as it can be arranged by the Religious Right. Then he'll be the good family man again. If he doesn't do as the RR desires they can then withhold sex from him. ... Metallica of Borg: "...and nothing else is relevant..." ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Sandman Subject: Re: Boschwitz Date: Fri Nov 01 17:46:55 CST 1996 Message number: 29 Reply to message number: 26 S> The biggest problem for Boschwitz is precisely what you said. S> He hasn't talked about anything. No religion, no welfare, no S> environment, no nothing. But hey, he *has* talked about flag burning. Have to give the guy some credit! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Froggy Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Fri Nov 01 17:50:19 CST 1996 Message number: 30 Reply to message number: 27 S> One down and Rod Grams to go. S> F> I am not so confident. It is awfully close for this close to the F> election. Wellstone still needs all the handshaking, phone calling, etc. he F> can get. Out of state Republicans have really been firing on Wellstone and F> Mary Reider big time. As of tonight, I'm willing to go on record to predict a resounding Wellstone victory. Boschwitz fucked up today with the flag burning accusation, and it reminds people of the `jewish letter' and why they booted him out of office in 1990. I think this also hurts the Minnesota House cantidates who are running on `Republican ethics'. With Boschwitz at the head of the ticket, it's hard to prove they're any more ethical than Skip Finn and Jeff Bertram. F> Rod Grams ought to be easier. For my personal opinion F> about who should replace him, send e-mail. :) Me, me, me! If a local news anchor can be Senator, why not a high school dropout? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Sandman Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Fri Nov 01 17:53:32 CST 1996 Message number: 31 Reply to message number: 28 S> DR> Nope, he and Rod Grams are going to hit all the singles bars and go S> DR> trolling for virile, family values-loving women. S> S> Isn't randy Rod recently divorced? Yep, waited `till he was elected. No one has ever accused him of not following his handler's advice; they only question whether he understands the advice or not. "Zathras not understand, but Zathras do. Zathras good at doings, not at knowings." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Boschwitz Date: Fri Nov 01 21:44:24 CST 1996 Message number: 32 Reply to message number: 29 S> The biggest problem for Boschwitz is precisely what you said. S> He hasn't talked about anything. No religion, no welfare, no S> environment, no nothing. DR> DR> But hey, he *has* talked about flag burning. Have to give the guy some DR> credit! Including that yesterday, he had 3 iron-rangers in a radio station ready to swear that they "heard" that Wellstone had burned a flag 30 years ago. Geez, now Wellstone is a flag-burning bad Jew. Wonder if that will work any better this election than it did the last time. What facinates me is that Boswitcz's commercial accuses Wellstone of being "out of touch" with the average voter. Yeh, the overriding, burning issue in every voter's life is that someone may burn a flag in front of him and offend his sensibilities. The main reason I might worry about it is that at the rate the Republicans are cutting budgets, there may be no firedepartment to come and put it out. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Fri Nov 01 21:52:11 CST 1996 Message number: 33 Reply to message number: 30 DR> As of tonight, I'm willing to go on record to predict a resounding Wellsto DR> victory. Boschwitz fucked up today with the flag burning accusation, and it DR> reminds people of the `jewish letter' and why they booted him out of office DR> 1990. DR> Me too. I can't believe what an idiot that man is. I *really* can't bel;ieve that there are actually people who like him. Even before the "flag burning" comment, a new poll showed that Boschwitz's "negative name recognition factor" had gone up to 45%. Now, every time people hear the word "Boschwitz," they think of lies, hateful, accusing voices, etc. Nice. DR> I think this also hurts the Minnesota House cantidates who are running on DR> `Republican ethics'. With Boschwitz at the head of the ticket, it's hard to DR> prove they're any more ethical than Skip Finn and Jeff Bertram. DR> I hope so. I mailed my ballot tonight and I did my bit to vote against one. :) DR> Me, me, me! DR> DR> If a local news anchor can be Senator, why not a high school dropout? IQ too high. You'll have to go to your dish and watch all the others be corrupt for a few years first. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Froggy Subject: Re: Boschwitz Date: Sat Nov 02 14:20:32 CST 1996 Message number: 34 Reply to message number: 32 F> What facinates me is that Boswitcz's commercial accuses Wellstone o F> being "out of touch" with the average voter. Yeh, the overriding, burning F> issue in every voter's life is that someone may burn a flag in front of him F> and offend his sensibilities. But it really *is* a critical issue - I'm sure I'm not alone in hoping for an end to this terrible scourge of flag-burnings. You can hardly walk down the street without running into another god damned long-haired hippie burning Old Glory and mocking passersby who object. This travesty must end! We must make the streets safe for patriots again! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Froggy Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Sat Nov 02 14:24:57 CST 1996 Message number: 35 Reply to message number: 33 F> Me too. I can't believe what an idiot that man is. I *really* can F> bel;ieve that there are actually people who like him. Even before the "flag F> burning" comment, a new poll showed that Boschwitz's "negative name F> recognition factor" had gone up to 45%. Now, every time people hear the wor F> "Boschwitz," they think of lies, hateful, accusing voices, etc. Nice. If it has the affect of cleaning up future campaigns, it might even be worth it. There have been some very positive trends, nationwide, in the past hald dozen years. Wellstone was one of the first Senators to win an election while being greatly outspent - and he isn't the last. Money is no longer a guarantee of winning an election (though, of course, it really really helps). Then, especially this year, the negative ads seem to be backfiring at least some of the time. Lastly, after lots of people didn't vote in 1994 and the Newt clones took over, it's harder to say that voting doesn't matter - it will probably boost voter turnout, though how much remains to be seen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SANDMAN To: DAEDALUS RISING Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Sat Nov 02 22:15:21 CST 1996 Message number: 36 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Daedalus Rising to Sandman <=- S> DR> Nope, he and Rod Grams are going to hit all the singles bars and go S> DR> trolling for virile, family values-loving women. S> S> Isn't randy Rod recently divorced? DR> Yep, waited `till he was elected. No one has ever accused him of not DR> following his handler's advice; they only question whether he DR> understands the advice or not. DR> "Zathras not understand, but Zathras do. Zathras good at doings, not DR> at knowings." Hmmmm.....? Republicans in league with the Shadows? ... Cannot say. Saying, I would know. Do not know. So, cannot say. -Zathro ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SPECTER To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Mon Nov 04 17:09:21 CST 1996 Message number: 37 Reply to message number: 35 DR> of winning an election (though, of course, it really really helps). Then, DR> especially this year, the negative ads seem to be backfiring at least some DR> the time. Lastly, after lots of people didn't vote in 1994 and the Newt Indeed. In South Dakota the Republican incumbent Larry Pressler might be beaten by the Democratic challenger to a great extent because Pressler used the negative ad tactics spelled out by the party. That's pretty unusual for South Dakotans to be electing a Democrat without a really impressive record or platform. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Specter Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Mon Nov 04 22:59:46 CST 1996 Message number: 38 Reply to message number: 37 DR> especially this year, the negative ads seem to be backfiring at least some DR> the time. Lastly, after lots of people didn't vote in 1994 and the Newt S> S> Indeed. In South Dakota the Republican incumbent Larry Pressler might be S> beaten by the Democratic challenger to a great extent because Pressler used S> the negative ad tactics spelled out by the party. That's pretty unusual for True in some ways, but the other risk is that negative ads may discourage people from voting entirely and stay home. Lower voter turnouts historically favor the Republicans, so in a weird way, it can work to their benefit to air negative attack ads. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SPECTER To: Froggy Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Tue Nov 05 16:25:29 CST 1996 Message number: 39 Reply to message number: 38 F> True in some ways, but the other risk is that negative ads may F> discourage people from voting entirely and stay home. Lower voter turnouts F> historically favor the Republicans, so in a weird way, it can work to their F> benefit to air negative attack ads. True indeed. (I like that word, indeed) Those low voter turnouts are bad. From what I heard in So. Dakota when I was there was that it was generally turning against Pressler and that even with low turnout he could very well lose. I'll find out soon anyway. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DARING DIANE J. To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Wed Nov 20 17:13:30 CST 1996 Message number: 40 Reply to message number: 30 YOU are a dropout, DR? Is this true? If so, how come? Did you need to escape a conformist atmosphere? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Daring Diane J. Subject: Re: Endorsements Date: Wed Nov 20 19:05:02 CST 1996 Message number: 41 Reply to message number: 40 DD> YOU are a dropout, DR? Is this true? If so, how come? Did you need to DD> escape a conformist atmosphere? Yep, I was actually mentioned in this week's local Sun Current newspaper ... not by name, but it was obvious it was me they were talking about in that part of the article. To make a long story short ... I really despised the schools around here, and didn't have enough credits when it came time to graduaute - then I just didn't go back the next year. Two years later I went to the ALC in South Saint Paul, which was much less rigid and pretentious, with teachers who actually gave a shit. I took some classes there, went through the post-secondary options program and kept going to Inver Hills after I graduated for 2 more years - basically taking whatever class sounded interesting (I really didn't take my classes, or what classes I was taking, seriously until about a year ago). It isn't true that the ALC and the people there "saved" me, because I would have gone back to school anyways to finish off the 1/2 year or so I needed to grauate ... but the school did save me from the drudgery of a regular high school, where most of the teachers don't believe in second chances and the atmosphere is opressive and stale. I came out of there with a diploma and the momentum to keep going to school, instead of a dimploma and a painful ulcer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: All Subject: books Date: Sat Nov 30 14:09:34 CST 1996 Message number: 42 Reply to message number: unavailable I'm trying to compile a large list of "must read" books that can be given to anybody, I *know* you people read alot, what would you recommend putting on the list? *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: books Date: Sat Nov 30 18:27:15 CST 1996 Message number: 43 Reply to message number: 42 BT> I'm trying to compile a large list of "must read" books that can be given t BT> anybody, I *know* you people read alot, what would you recommend putting on BT> the list? Are you looking more for fiction or non-fiction ... what's the general slant of the list, to be entertaining or informative (or both)? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BADLANDS To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: books Date: Sat Nov 30 19:30:58 CST 1996 Message number: 44 Reply to message number: 42 "The Spiral Dance" - Starhawk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: books Date: Sun Dec 01 04:13:51 CST 1996 Message number: 45 Reply to message number: 43 DR> Are you looking more for fiction or non-fiction ... what's the general sla DR> of the list, to be entertaining or informative (or both)? Both, non-fiction and fiction that teaches good stories that can be learned from. *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SPECTER To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: books Date: Sun Dec 01 17:03:51 CST 1996 Message number: 46 Reply to message number: 45 I'm particularly fond of Camus' The Rebel, The Stranger, The Plague, and Resistance, Rebellion, and Death. If one is willing to work through it Plato's Republic is good. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: Moore on the Rampage Date: Mon Dec 02 10:58:52 CST 1996 Message number: 47 Reply to message number: unavailable Banned by Borders -- By Michael Moore On November 9, as I write this, I was supposed to have been at the Borders bookstore in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, speaking and signing copies of my book Downsize This! Random Threats from an Unarmed American. It was to have been the final stop of my forty-seven-city tour. But on October 30 I was told that the book-signing had been canceled. The Fort Lauderdale Borders had received a memo from its corporate headquarters in Ann Arbor, Michigan, banning me from speaking or signing at any Borders store in the country. When I was growing up in Michigan, the original Borders was a store that actively championed free expression. In fact, when I was publishing the Michigan Voice, Borders would carry my paper when other establishments would not. Now, Borders is a huge nationwide chain, and its "liberal" views have earned it the reputation as the "Ben & Jerry's of the book chains." So why was I banned from Borders? My book was doing well. It has been on the New York Times best-seller list for a month and was the number two best-selling Random House book for the entire Borders chain. I've been banned, I found out, because I made the mistake of uttering a five-letter word, the dirtiest word in all of corporate America -- "union." Back in September, on the second day of my tour, when I arrived at the Borders store in downtown Philadelphia, I found nearly 100 people picketing the place because Borders had fired a woman named Miriam Fried. She had led a drive to organize workers at the store into a union. The effort failed, and, a few weeks later, Miriam was given the boot. When I found this out I told the Borders people that I have never crossed a picket line and would not cross this one. I asked the demonstrators if they wanted to take the protest inside. They thought it was a good idea. I had no desire to cause a ruckus, so I asked Borders management if it was O.K. to allow the protesters in. They said yes. So we all came into the store, I gave my talk, I gave Miriam the microphone so she could talk, everyone behaved themselves and it was a good day all around -- including for Borders, which ended up selling a lot of books, breaking the record for a noontime author at that location. (The record had been held by George Foreman, and I now like to tell people only Ali and I have beaten Foreman.) I also announced that I would donate all my royalties for the day to help Miriam out. Although Anne Kubek, Borders' corporate V.P. in charge of labor relations, had approved my bringing the protesters inside, upper management decided that she had made a mistake -- and they were going to take it out on me. On the following Tuesday I was scheduled to speak at the new Borders store in New York's World Trade Center. When I arrived, I was met by two Borders executives. They had flown in from Michigan just to stop me from speaking. The executives, flanked by two security guards, explained that I could come into the store and sign books, but I would not be allowed to talk to the people who had come to hear me. They said that the "commotion" I had caused in Philly raised "security concerns." I couldn't believe I was being censored in a bookstore. The Borders manager told the assembled crowd that I would not be speaking because "Port Authority police and fire marshals have banned all daytime gatherings at Borders." When I heard this, I stepped forward and told the people this was a lie, that I was forbidden to speak because of my support for the workers in Philly. Under protest, I signed the books of those who stayed -- beneath a big banner celebrating "Banned Books Week." On October 13, I spoke to a large crowd in a Des Moines auditorium. After the speech I went out front and started signing books. "What store are these from?" I innocently asked. "Oh, these are from the local Borders," I was told. Well, I thought, they don't mind if I make them some money -- as long as it's not on their premises! Then someone slipped me an anonymous note. It read: "We are employees of the Des Moines Borders. We were told that we could not work the book table tonight, that only management was working the table, because they said they wanted to 'protect us' from you." An hour later, I went out to the parking lot and saw some people standing there in the dark -- the employees from the Des Moines Borders! They said they were hiding out there because they had spotted Borders' regional director with another man inside. "He flew in to spy on you, or us, or both," they told me. "He saw us so we may not have jobs on Monday." (Bookstore employees afraid they might be fired for attending a public speech at the Herbert Hoover High School auditorium!) The executive had not introduced himself to me -- or his colleague, who employees believe is a unionbusting "consultant" hired by Borders. I wished the workers well, and the next night they held their first union meeting. The previous week, the Borders store in the Lincoln Park section of Chicago had become the first Borders in the country to vote in a union (United Food and Commercial Workers). Recently, workers in Des Moines signed enough cards to hold a union election. It is a victory that should inspire not only Borders workers but underpaid employees everywhere. That's why I am not in Fort Lauderdale as I write this. Borders is "protecting" its workers from me. Well, they're really going to need protection now. First, I am donating my royalties from the next 1,000 sales of Downsize This! to the organizing drive at Borders. Second, I am asking each of you to support the Borders workers in your city. Bring up the union when you're in the store and thank that kid with the nose ring and green hair for helping to revive the labor movement in America. Note to Borders Executives: If, after this column is published, you retaliate by removing my book from your shelves, or hiding it in the "humor" section or underreporting its sales to the New York Times list, I will come at you with everything I've got. You sandbagged me in Philly, and the only decent way for you to resolve this is to give Miriam Fried her job back and let the workers form their union without intimidation or harassment. Copyright (c) 1996, The Nation Company, L..P. All rights reserved. Electronic redistribution for nonprofit purposes is permitted, provided this notice is attached in its entirety. Unauthorized, for-profit redistribution is prohibited. For further information regarding reprinting and syndication, please call The Nation at (212) 242-8400, ext. 226 or send e-mail to Max Block. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Moore on the Rampage Date: Mon Dec 02 17:25:19 CST 1996 Message number: 48 Reply to message number: 47 DR> When I found this out I told the Borders people that I have never DR> crossed a picket line and would not cross this one. I asked the DR> demonstrators if they wanted to take the protest inside. They thought DR> it was a good idea. I had no desire to cause a ruckus, so I asked DR> Borders management if it was O.K. to allow the protesters in. This is just typical of Moore's style, an inoocent babe in the woods who doesn't seem to realize how many people he's really pissing off. Can't wait for him to get back on TV. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Badlands Subject: Re: books Date: Sat Dec 21 17:49:02 CST 1996 Message number: 49 Reply to message number: 44 B> "The Spiral Dance" - Starhawk Yeah I love that book! Also I have my lists of books of the like if you would like them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BADLANDS To: All Subject: ... Date: Sun Dec 22 21:12:46 CST 1996 Message number: 50 Reply to message number: unavailable Ok, I'd like to ask for help here. As part of my comprehensive exam, I'm writing a largish paper on "Computer Interfaces and Their Applications" -- essentially about cybernetics. I don't know exactly* how to go about it -- that's what my reading list is for. I don't have the list my computer art prof gave me, but McLuhan's _Understanding Media_ was on there (which I have, and will re-read soon), as well as a Sherry Turkle piece. I think Donna Harraway's "Manifesto for Cyborgs" is another one I'll take a look at... but does anyone have any suggestions?? I'd greatly appreciate.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE THE LUCKY To: Badlands Subject: Re: ... Date: Mon Dec 23 17:22:14 CST 1996 Message number: 51 Reply to message number: 50 B> [B]ut McLuhan's _Understanding Media_ was on there... Really? For a paper on cybernetics? I'm not knocking the book, 'cause it's outstanding. I just don't see you getting much useful out of it except a general quote or two about "the future". Crazy as this may sound, if you're looking for a good resource on how cybernetics might impact human life, check out some RPG games and supplements. I'm serious! My game of choice is Champions, partly because the game publishers are very demanding of their supplement writers. I've learned a great deal about specific esoteric subjects (like the Distant Early Warning Line and Inuit mythology--send me e-mail for explanations), and also quite a bit of "layman's" knowledge about other subjects. For example, I recently purchased a book entitled "How to Solve a Murder", intended to be a layperson's/writer's guide to real-life homocide investigations. Though I still learned quite a bit, I was surprised to discover that much of the information in that book was already contained in a Champions supplement, "Dark Champions", which described how to set up and run superhero campaigns based on the Punisher and Batman-style comics. In your case, though, I wouldn't recommend Champions; the Cyber Hero supplement is merely average. You'd be better off borrowing (or buying) some Cyberpunk supplements--you can probably pick up the first edition rules, and maybe even the first edition supplements "Rockerboy" (music and entertainment) and "Solo of Fortune" (war) in the used-game section of your local game store. If you're bound and determined to use a scholarly source, though, I can't be of much help. I can only tell you to steer clear of one book, "PsychoCybernetics". While the title sounds cool, the book is actually not about cybernetics at all, but is rather an early 1960's self-help book that tries to get you to look at your own mind as a machine that your "self" controls. Really putrid stuff; it was one of two required texts (the other was "The Pelican Brief", also really bad) in a speed-reading course I took in college. (The only good news was that I got through the books quickly--heh!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LEMON To: Big Teebo Subject: books Date: Thu Jan 02 00:35:51 CST 1997 Message number: 52 Reply to message number: 42 "America's Longest War : Rethinking Our Tragic Crusade Against Drugs" by Albert C Gross and someone else Any of Ayn Rand's bullshit objectivist philosophy, for comedic purposes only "Satanism : Corrupting America's Youth" for the same reason "Female And Male" by Rhoda Unger -love the lemon ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: books Date: Tue Jan 21 09:21:03 CST 1997 Message number: 53 Reply to message number: 42 BT> I'm trying to compile a large list of "must read" books that can be given t BT> anybody, I *know* you people read alot, what would you recommend putting on BT> the list? Amnesty International :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SANDMAN To: ALL Subject: Hype it up! Date: Fri May 02 17:13:19 CDT 1997 Message number: 54 Reply to message number: unavailable Ä Area: Skeptic ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ Msg#: 291 Date: 04-15-97 15:33 From: Sheppard Gordon Read: Yes Replied: No To: All Mark: Subj: Credulous fashion victims ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ 04/07/97 Twin Cities Star-Tribune Have you heard that clothing designer Tommy Hilfiger went on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" and made racist remarks about blacks? And that a furious Winfrey threw him off the show? Problem is, it didn't happen. Hilfiger is the latest celebrity designer to become embroiled in an urban legend alleging that he wants to see his clothes only on white people. The rumors apparently have been circulating on the Internet since November. Hilfiger's all-American preppy wear has been embraced by several black musicians, including rappers Grand Puba and Chef Raekwon, who even evoke the designer's name in their lyrics. And the New York-based Hilfiger had this to say about his high-profile supporters in an interview in August with the Los Angeles Times: "I'm complimented. I know they can wear anything. . . . They choose my clothes. It's a true, true honor. I think these kids are so cool." Similar stories have plagued designer Liz Claiborne for eight years. She, too, supposedly stated her whites-only preference to Winfrey. And that rumor, circulated by word-of-mouth, had such legs that film director Spike Lee denounced the designer in a 1992 Esquire interview. "Claiborne got on and said she didn't make clothes for black people. . . . It definitely happened. Get the tape," Lee said. But it didn't. And an "Oprah" producer said she has no idea how or why rumors about the fashion designers got started. Patricia Turner, associate professor of African-American studies at the University of California, Davis, and the author of "I Heard It Through the Grapevine: Rumor in African-American Culture" (University of California Press, 1993), has been following the Hilfiger hearsay for several weeks. "The credence," Turner says, "comes in people saying, `I saw it on "Oprah, " I saw it on "60 Minutes." ' There's something authenticating it, something you have faith in. The Internet is new and seductive, and there's a portion of the population that thinks that if it's on a computer, it must be true." ... You poor guys. Always confusing your pistols with your privates. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Sandman Subject: Re: Hype it up! Date: Thu May 08 12:12:45 CDT 1997 Message number: 55 Reply to message number: 54 S> "The credence," Turner says, "comes in people saying, `I saw it on S> "Oprah, " I saw it on "60 Minutes." ' There's something S> authenticating it, something you have faith in. The Internet is new S> and seductive, and there's a portion of the population that thinks S> that if it's on a computer, it must be true." I love this, it's like taking the minds of stupid people and showing them the world without a monoperspective reality, severly hampering their reasoning till they catch on (which is sometimes never). *teebo