------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: The purpose of this base ... Date: Mon Feb 12 14:31:08 CST 1996 Message number: 1 Reply to message number: unavailable ^9Hey, %un! Read on to see what this base is all about ... ^4I followed the "Communications Decency Act" for a year. Sent letters to and asked Senator Wellstone and Representative Luther about it ... and, of course, it didn't make a damned bit of difference. I tend to think that if every man, woman and child with a modem had called up their politicos in Washington it wouldn't have made any difference. So what *does* make a difference? I don't know. But I tend to think that alone, no one stands a damned chance unless they have the money to open the right doors. I've been playing with the idea of trying to organize some kind of a meeting for some of the people on Dissent ... just to get together, exchange info and see what we can do to begin to fix what's wrong. If you have access to this base, it means I thought that you might want to learn more about this. Interested at all? Do you think that nothing you can do makes a damned bit of difference, and yet continue to bitch about how bad things are? That's what this forum's about. Put your 2 cents in, and let's try to get the ball rolling. Even if you're not interested, please reply in here and tell me why. Maybe you have a better idea or two ... that's what it's all about. The first thing to do, methinks, is to try and organize a GT where we try and get everyone to show up. If the idea still does nothing for you, that's fine. Please tell me why :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: Local DFL campaigns Date: Sat Aug 24 14:07:52 CDT 1996 Message number: 2 Reply to message number: unavailable Here's some numbers and shit for some of the local DFL campaigns in case anyone's interested. Paul Wellstone DFL Incumbent, U.S. Senate Campaign Office: ??? University Avenue St Paul, MN Telephone: 612-643-0828 Martin Olav Sabo DFL incumbent, U.S. House 3rd district [Minneapolis area] Campaign Office: 2425 East Franklin Avenue, Apt. 301 Minneapolis, MN 55406 Telephone: ??? Bruce F. Vento DFL incumbent, U.S. House 4th district [St. Paul area] Campaign Office: P.O. Box 65254 St. Paul, MN 55165 Telephone: 612-298-1412 [ask for Eric, he's a pretty decent guy] FAX: 612-298-9970 Campaign E-mail: vfv@wavefront.com Stanley J. Leino DFL challenger, U.S. House 5th district [Western metro] Campaign Office: 7118 France Avenue North Brooklyn Center, MN 55429 Telephone: 612-560-2531 FAX: 612-780-4039 Campaign E-mail: Leino@mtn.org Campaign WWW: http://www.mtn.org/~leino/ Bill Luther DFL incumbent, U.S. House 6th district [Eastern metro] Campaign Office: 1399 Geneva Avenue North Oakdale, MN 55128 Telephone: 612-578-3434 FAX: 612-578-6913 Campaign E-mail: victory@luther-for-congress.com Campaign WWW: http://www.lutherforcongress.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: March on Daed's house Date: Sat Aug 24 17:05:37 CDT 1996 Message number: 3 Reply to message number: unavailable There's a parade that's going to go right in `front' of my house on September 7th, a Saturday. If anyone wants to come and throw tomatoes, heckle or even help out - that would be cool. If not, no big deal. I typed up the directions for someone else, thought I might as well post them here too. The lineup for the parade is 10:30 AM, in front of Simley High School. There will be a Wellstone crew, a Luther crew and also a group of us from here in SD 39 with the local legislative cantidates. The parade will probably last until 12 or 1, at which time we'll probably head to someone's house for pop, chips and hot dogs (or something to that effect). You and any friends you'd care to drag along are all welcome to that, too, of course. DIRECTIONS TO PARADE LINEUP [from Bloomington, might be different for you] - Take 494 and head East. - Turn southbound onto Hwy 52 (shortly before you reach the river). - Turn off on the 80th St exit. At the top of the exit, take a left and drive over the overpass. - After driving east on 80 St for about 2 blocks, you should see Simley High School on your right. Look for the crew in the gray t-shirts with a big red "39" on the back - if you can't find them, ask someone where the local 39 DFLers are (Metzen/Milbert/Pugh). A note of warning, Hwy 52 was just completed recently. If you have an older map, it might not be accurate. |52 | | --------------------------------------- 494 | 494 | | | |52 |Cahill Ave | | | | | | | | | | | | |52 |Cahill Ave | | 80th St | 80th St | -------------------------------------------- | **** | SCHOOL |52 **** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Local DFL campaigns Date: Sun Aug 25 06:36:01 CDT 1996 Message number: 4 Reply to message number: 2 DR> Paul Wellstone DR> DFL Incumbent, U.S. Senate DR> Campaign Office: PO Box 65588 DR> St Paul, MN DR> Telephone: 612-643-0828 DR> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: Lucci Date: Sun Aug 25 15:37:48 CDT 1996 Message number: 5 Reply to message number: unavailable Anyone wonder where that Lucius Sulla fellow has taken off to? It appears that my 400-line reply knocked him out of the picture :-) On a completely dissimilar note, several people here have commented that I should run for office or something. Well, one of the local DFlers here threatened to `run me for something' in 2 years. I can see it now, the next horror movie from Wes Craven ... I will be cooking the next spaghetti dinner/fundraiser here, though (next Spring). If everyone here doesn't show up, I'll be mortally offended. I promise I won't even spit in the sauce. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Lucci Date: Sun Aug 25 17:23:56 CDT 1996 Message number: 6 Reply to message number: 5 DR> Anyone wonder where that Lucius Sulla fellow has taken off to? It appears DR> that my 400-line reply knocked him out of the picture :-) DR> Too bad. I would have loved to argue with him as he insisted that some of us are satanists. :) DR> On a completely dissimilar note, several people here have commented that I DR> should run for office or something. Well, one of the local DFlers here DR> threatened to `run me for something' in 2 years. I can see it now, the next Well, you would make a good dogcatcher if you ditched that leather coat. Otherwise, the dogs may take it as a chew stick. :) Seriously, though, I would encourage you to get involved with the local school board. Find out when their meetings are and start attending -- usually 1 a month. Take not of who is up for reelection and how you would vote as they vote on issues. Buy local newspapers and follow them in them, too. It is a good place to start, and you may be able to actually make those tight-ass schools a better place for kids to be. You, too, Starfox, only you are going to have to wait a few more years. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Lucci Date: Mon Aug 26 04:36:30 CDT 1996 Message number: 7 Reply to message number: 5 DR> Anyone wonder where that Lucius Sulla fellow has taken off to? It appears DR> that my 400-line reply knocked him out of the picture :-) Or else he just got tired of thinking, it happens to alot of people. DR> On a completely dissimilar note, several people here have commented that I DR> should run for office or something. Well, one of the local DFlers here Yeah, doitdoitdoit! This reminds me of Jello Biafra running for mayor! :) DR> I will be cooking the next spaghetti dinner/fundraiser here, though (next DR> Spring). If everyone here doesn't show up, I'll be mortally offended. I DR> promise I won't even spit in the sauce. After school gets out? There's actually a possiblity that I *might* be able to go, no promises.. Will it be at your place? *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Froggy Subject: Re: Lucci Date: Mon Aug 26 04:37:55 CDT 1996 Message number: 8 Reply to message number: 6 F> Too bad. I would have loved to argue with him as he insisted that F> some of us are satanists. :) Or Satan... :) *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: Lucci Date: Mon Aug 26 04:46:32 CDT 1996 Message number: 9 Reply to message number: 7 DR> On a completely dissimilar note, several people here have commented that I DR> should run for office or something. Well, one of the local DFlers here BT> BT> Yeah, doitdoitdoit! This reminds me of Jello Biafra running for mayor! :) BT> This morning's Strib says that if Jerry Rubin were alive today, he would be an "in your face" candidate. Sound like anyone we know? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: FROGGY Subject: Re: Dogcatching Date: Tue Aug 27 02:54:12 CDT 1996 Message number: 10 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Froggy : Fr> Well, you would make a good dogcatcher if you ditched that Fr> leather coat. Never. It's getting fixed, soon to be better than ever. Fr> Seriously, though, I would encourage you to get involved with the Fr> local school board. Find out when their meetings are and start Fr> attending -- usually 1 a month. Was already planning to. I just scanned the "199 Reporter" that came in the mail today, and took note of the school board meeting times earlier ... I figured I'd shoot for the 2nd one, the 1st one is during the first week of school. Fr> It is a good place to start, and you may be able to actually make Fr> those tight-ass schools a better place for kids to be. Simley high school blows, it would be better if they wiped it off the map and started over :( ... Why didn't they stop at "Congress shall make no law"? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: BIG TEEBO Subject: Re: Mayor Date: Tue Aug 27 02:54:13 CDT 1996 Message number: 11 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Big Teebo : DR> On a completely dissimilar note, several people here have commented that DR> should run for office or something. Well, one of the local DFlers here BT> Yeah, doitdoitdoit! This reminds me of Jello Biafra running for BT> mayor! :) Nah, the mayor here is an active DFLer. It's the City Council where the loonies hang out. DR> I will be cooking the next spaghetti dinner/fundraiser here, though (nex DR> Spring). If everyone here doesn't show up, I'll be mortally offended. I DR> promise I won't even spit in the sauce. BT> After school gets out? There's actually a possiblity that I *might* BT> be able to go, no promises.. Will it be at your place? Yes, after school ... dinnertime on a weeknight, most likely. But it wouldn't be at my place (too small, way too small), but at the South Saint Paul VFW. ... The worst thing about censorship is . ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Dogcatching Date: Tue Aug 27 06:07:38 CDT 1996 Message number: 12 Reply to message number: 10 DR> Fr> Seriously, though, I would encourage you to get involved with the DR> Fr> local school board. Find out when their meetings are and start DR> Fr> attending -- usually 1 a month. DR> DR> Simley high school blows, it would be better if they wiped it off the DR> map and started over :( DR> That would be a decision of the school board :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Mayor Date: Tue Aug 27 06:52:25 CDT 1996 Message number: 13 Reply to message number: 11 DR> wouldn't be at my place (too small, way too small), but at the South Saint DR> Paul VFW. Whereabouts is that located? *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: BIG TEEBO Subject: Re: Chef's hat Date: Sun Sep 01 14:21:37 CDT 1996 Message number: 14 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Big Teebo : DR> wouldn't be at my place (too small, way too small), but at the South Sain DR> Paul VFW. BT> Whereabouts is that located? South Saint Paul, North on Concord from 494 - right by the old stockyards. But I wouldn't worry about it too much, spring is a looong ways away ... ... Privatize the profits. Socialize the costs. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: Intelligent convos Date: Mon Sep 09 13:02:31 CDT 1996 Message number: 15 Reply to message number: unavailable Just a note, I'm so damned busy with homework right now that I won't have time to post info/news or start topics anymore. So if some of you could help out, that'd be great ... My life is now devoted to homework. Life is homework. Homework is life. Heil the immortal Gutenberg press! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Intelligent convos Date: Mon Sep 09 13:42:15 CDT 1996 Message number: 16 Reply to message number: 15 DR> My life is now devoted to homework. Life is homework. Homework is life. He DR> the immortal Gutenberg press! Dont make me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DARING DIANE J. To: All Subject: oppose NSP merger Date: Fri Nov 01 17:19:34 CST 1996 Message number: 17 Reply to message number: unavailable ACTION ALERT ! Public Hearing On The Proposed Mega-Utility Primergy: Should The Minnesota Public Utilities Commission Authorize the Merger of Northern States Power Company and Wisconsin Energy Corporation? Where: Hennepin County Government Center When: Friday, November 15 1:00 p.m. Please attend and testify at a hearing by the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission to decide whether or not to approve a merger of NSP and Wisconsin Energy Corp. Your testimony at this public hearing will be of enormous value to SEED [a program of Minnesotans For an Energy Efficient Econo- my] in promoting our sustainable energy goals for Minnesota. All of your comments will be included in the record for the Public Utilities Commission, the body that must approve or deny this merger. Environmental groups in Minnesota and Wisconsin have raised a number of important environmental concerns about this merger. Fundamentally, this merger is about Minnesota's energy future, and what Minnesota's consumers and the environment stand to lose if NSP, Minnesota's largest utility becomes Primergy the largest utility in the midwest. So far, NSP has been successful in limiting the merger questions to a few narrow issues, like whether a one/two percent rate break is a good deal, and whether the merger hurts other utility compa- nies. But before it's approved, the Minnesota Public Utility Commission will have to decide if the merger is truly in the public interest. We need you to come speak and raise the REAL questions that citizens want answered: Here are some talking points that you can raise. 1) Sustainable Energy. Will renewable energy grow or shrink as a percent of total sales? Will Primergy's power in the market be used to stifle new renewable producers? To prevent that, Primergy should be required to buy as much renewable energy (as a percent of sales) as NSP is now required to buy. 2) Stopping Increased Pollution. Coal-fired power plants are among the largest sources of air and water pollution. The merger will result in more pollution in Minnesota as the dirtiest, coal- fired power plants are used to sell electricity in new out-of- state markets. Should this pollution be allowed to increase as Primergy sales increase? One solutions is to impose a "cap" on the total pollution from NSP's system and require that old, dirty coal plants meet the same performance standards as new plants. NSP can also reduce emissions by switching to cleaner fuels, adding pollution controls, or retiring the oldest units. Other options for Primergy to increase sales without increasing pollution are energy conservation investments and additional renewable energy sources. By placing a system-wide cap on pollutants, the PUC could assure that air pollution does not rise as a result of the merger. With an emissions cap, instead of increasing environmental costs, this merger could yield a substantial environmental improvement. 3) Mercury Pollution. One pollutant of particular importance in Minnesota is mercury. High levels of mercury in sport fish have caused the State to issue health advisories about fish consumption from most Minnesota lakes. Wildlife that eat fish are also affected. The proposed Primergy company would control a large portion of the region's mercury-emitting power plants. We're pleased to see that the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources is calling on the Wisconsin regulators to require that Primergy pay for mercury reduction strategies throughout the region, as a condition of the merger. Minnesotans should expect no less, considering that so much of our economy is based on fishing and tourism, and because so many families depend heavily on fish in their diets. 4) Energy Efficiency. NSP is proposing to cut its energy conservation budget by more than two-thirds in order to get ready for this merger and the coming competition in the electric industry. These drastic cuts would damage energy efficiency programs that assist NSP's low-income customers, as well as popular programs that help businesses and other households become more efficient. 5) Minnesota Loses Regulatory Control. The way NSP has proposed its merger shifts much of Minnesota's regulatory authority to the federal government. Do Minnesotans want control of their utility shifted to Washington D.C.? If not, Speak Out! The environmental costs to Minnesota from increased operations of coal plants must be taken into account to determine the net savings from the merger, if any. If it approves the merger, the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission must protect MinnesotaOs environment, or this merger is not in the public interest. Prepared by Michael Noble Director of Minnesotans For an Energy Efficient Economy (ME3) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DARING DIANE J. To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Phone contact Date: Fri Nov 08 04:54:05 CST 1996 Message number: 18 Reply to message number: unavailable Knownukes and I have lost your home phone number. Would you please give it to us again? We'll try not to lose it this time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: GT Date: Wed Nov 20 19:20:06 CST 1996 Message number: 19 Reply to message number: unavailable Anyone up for the idea of planning a GT sometime in December, maybe during Christmas break? I'd suggest meeting at some (non-smoking, if possible) joint in Saint Paul, maybe a restaurant or coffeeshop. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: GT Date: Thu Nov 21 01:45:57 CST 1996 Message number: 20 Reply to message number: 19 DR> I'd suggest meeting at some (non-smoking, if possible) joint in Saint Paul DR> maybe a restaurant or coffeeshop. (Again) I doubt I would be able to make it.. Sure, I'm a rebellious fun little guy, but I'm oppressed dammit. I can't do anything outside of my room, hopefully after I get a job.. *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: GT Date: Thu Nov 21 11:10:13 CST 1996 Message number: 21 Reply to message number: 20 BT> (Again) I doubt I would be able to make it.. Sure, I'm a rebellious fun BT> little guy, but I'm oppressed dammit. I can't do anything outside of my ro BT> hopefully after I get a job.. Well, that sucks. Maybe we can have Guido pay your parents a little visit, show them a thing or two ... As for everyone else, what about it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: GT Date: Thu Nov 21 13:23:17 CST 1996 Message number: 22 Reply to message number: 21 BT> (Again) I doubt I would be able to make it.. Sure, I'm a rebellious fun BT> little guy, but I'm oppressed dammit. I can't do anything outside of my ro BT> hopefully after I get a job.. DR> DR> Well, that sucks. Maybe we can have Guido pay your parents a little visit, DR> show them a thing or two ... DR> DR> As for everyone else, what about it? I will if I can. Right now, I have no wheels. Give my regards to Guido. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: All Subject: Back Date: Sat Nov 23 19:58:10 CST 1996 Message number: 23 Reply to message number: unavailable I'm back for about 5 or 6 days for Thanksgiving here, so I thought I'd let everyone know, as if you cared. Hi. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: Back Date: Sun Nov 24 07:36:21 CST 1996 Message number: 24 Reply to message number: 23 BH> I'm back for about 5 or 6 days for Thanksgiving here, so I thought I'd BH> everyone know, as if you cared. Hi. Hi, Bri. Welcome back. Things have changed a bit here. How is school? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Froggy Subject: Re: Back Date: Sun Nov 24 10:04:17 CST 1996 Message number: 25 Reply to message number: 24 F> Hi, Bri. Welcome back. Things have changed a bit here. How is F> school? School is good. Hooked up with a band, among other things. What's different? Are you all Grand Ol' Patronizers now? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: Back Date: Sun Nov 24 15:49:21 CST 1996 Message number: 26 Reply to message number: 25 BH> School is good. Hooked up with a band, among other things. BH> BH> What's different? Are you all Grand Ol' Patronizers now? Hardly. Even if I had been tempted, their congressional gogernment crash would have discouraged me. :) Well, we have a new sysop, some new users, and a few new conferences. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: Back Date: Mon Nov 25 10:23:16 CST 1996 Message number: 27 Reply to message number: 23 BH> I'm back for about 5 or 6 days for Thanksgiving here, so I thought I'd BH> everyone know, as if you cared. Hi. Welcome back. Are you going to be around for Christmas? We're planning a GT next month, I'm guessing around the 20th or something (i'll check a calendar sometime this week and come up with something more specific), either in the St Paul area or the northern burbs depending on who plans to come and where they all live. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOLDILOCKS To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: GT Date: Wed Nov 27 04:35:54 CST 1996 Message number: 28 Reply to message number: 19 DR> Anyone up for the idea of planning a GT sometime in December, maybe during DR> Christmas break? DR> DR> I'd suggest meeting at some (non-smoking, if possible) joint in Saint Paul DR> maybe a restaurant or coffeeshop. I think that would be a wonderful idea! Sounds like fun to me. Mmmm Christmas goodies and all Take care Goldi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Goldilocks Subject: Re: GT Date: Thu Nov 28 03:44:28 CST 1996 Message number: 29 Reply to message number: 28 DR> I'd suggest meeting at some (non-smoking, if possible) joint in Saint Paul DR> maybe a restaurant or coffeeshop. G> G> I think that would be a wonderful idea! Sounds like fun to me. I was going to send you mail on it once I figured out the date and place, but you beat me to it :-) As for the date, why don't we shoot for Sunday, December 19th? I might be off by a day or two on the date, but I'm shooting for the Sunday before Christmas. As for the location, anyone have any suggestions? G> Mmmm Christmas goodies and all Who's bringing the fudge? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Froggy Subject: Re: Back Date: Fri Nov 29 18:29:13 CST 1996 Message number: 30 Reply to message number: 26 F> Hardly. Even if I had been tempted, their congressional gogernment F> crash would have discouraged me. :) Heh. I'm looking forward to Mars Attacks! a lot. "They blew up Congress! Ahaha!" F> Well, we have a new sysop, some new users, and a few new conference Eh? Still Big Teebo, as far as I can see. The other stuff is expected. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Back Date: Fri Nov 29 18:32:36 CST 1996 Message number: 31 Reply to message number: 27 DR> Welcome back. Are you going to be around for Christmas? We're planning a G DR> next month, I'm guessing around the 20th or something (i'll check a calenda DR> sometime this week and come up with something more specific), either in the DR> St Paul area or the northern burbs depending on who plans to come and where DR> they all live. Yeah, I'll be back around for the holidays. I am, however, catching a bus back tomorrow evening, so messeges responding to me will be a little...unmet. I've been sopping up media like crazy. Gambier is a bell jar. I've seen six movies, a few hours of teevee (some things never change), and a bunch of newspapers and magazines. It's weird to have media again. I missed it. Go and see The English Patient, every one of you. Probably the best movie I've seen in the last year. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: Back Date: Fri Nov 29 18:57:56 CST 1996 Message number: 32 Reply to message number: 31 BH> Go and see The English Patient, every one of you. Probably the best mo BH> I've seen in the last year. wHERE IS IT SHOWING? i CAN'T FIND IT HERE. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: Back Date: Sat Nov 30 18:25:39 CST 1996 Message number: 33 Reply to message number: 31 DR> Welcome back. Are you going to be around for Christmas? We're planning a G DR> next month, I'm guessing around the 20th or something (i'll check a calenda DR> sometime this week and come up with something more specific), either in the Actually, Sunday falls on the 22nd. A bit too close to Christmas, but if it's not during the Christmas break less of us will probably be able to make it. I'm guessing Sunday afternoon sometime, the location is kind of dependant on who plans to show up and where they're coming from. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Back Date: Sun Dec 01 07:51:33 CST 1996 Message number: 34 Reply to message number: 33 DR> Actually, Sunday falls on the 22nd. A bit too close to Christmas, but if DR> it's not during the Christmas break less of us will probably be able to mak DR> it. DR> The 22nd sounds fine to me, although people will have to have all their shopping, etc. done. Are there any more suggestions for a location? I know a couple, but they are far north and may not be too comfortable for others. Is there any place in White Bear Lake? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Froggy Subject: Re: Back Date: Mon Dec 02 01:20:46 CST 1996 Message number: 35 Reply to message number: 34 F> their shopping, etc. done. Are there any more suggestions for a location? F> know a couple, but they are far north and may not be too comfortable for F> others. Is there any place in White Bear Lake? I'll try to get ahold of Diane/Knownukes and ask them, they live in the area ... but I won't have time `till later in the week. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOLDILOCKS To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: GT Date: Mon Dec 02 04:14:38 CST 1996 Message number: 36 Reply to message number: 29 DR> I was going to send you mail on it once I figured out the date and place, DR> you beat me to it :-) :) Gotcha DR> As for the date, why don't we shoot for Sunday, December 19th? I might be DR> by a day or two on the date, but I'm shooting for the Sunday before Christm Sounds good to me... I'll be in town (st. paul) thorough the 20th for finals. I'm not picky, I'll drive just about anywhere. DR> Who's bringing the fudge? You really don't want me to cook.... I'll bring rosette's Take care Goldi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Goldilocks Subject: Re: GT Date: Mon Dec 02 17:19:34 CST 1996 Message number: 37 Reply to message number: 36 DR> As for the date, why don't we shoot for Sunday, December 19th? I might be DR> by a day or two on the date, but I'm shooting for the Sunday before Christm G> G> Sounds good to me... I'll be in town (st. paul) thorough the 20th for finals G> I'm not picky, I'll drive just about anywhere. As I mentioend in another post, the date is set for Sunday the 22nd ... DR> Who's bringing the fudge? G> G> You really don't want me to cook.... I'll bring rosette's Speaking of cooking, I'll probably be cooking for the annual DFL "italian dinner" fundraiser here down in SD 39, I expect all of you to be there or else my feelings will be really, really hurt. There's plenty of time to plan, it's not happening till April. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: GT Date: Tue Dec 03 14:10:45 CST 1996 Message number: 38 Reply to message number: 37 DR> Speaking of cooking, I'll probably be cooking for the annual DFL "italian DR> dinner" fundraiser here down in SD 39, I expect all of you to be there or e DR> my feelings will be really, really hurt. There's plenty of time to plan, it DR> not happening till April. Sounds like a plan, I can probably make april.. *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: GT Date: Tue Dec 03 15:35:19 CST 1996 Message number: 39 Reply to message number: 38 DR> Speaking of cooking, I'll probably be cooking for the annual DFL "italian DR> dinner" fundraiser here down in SD 39, I expect all of you to be there or e DR> my feelings will be really, really hurt. There's plenty of time to plan, it DR> not happening till April. BT> BT> Sounds like a plan, I can probably make april.. That's good, just bring your $5 and as many friends as you can pack into your trunk. Anyone care to place bets on how many DFL cantidates for governor will show up at the fundraiser? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: GT Date: Tue Dec 03 16:37:58 CST 1996 Message number: 40 Reply to message number: 39 DR> Anyone care to place bets on how many DFL cantidates for governor will sho DR> up at the fundraiser? Three. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Froggy Subject: Re: GT Date: Wed Dec 04 01:14:45 CST 1996 Message number: 41 Reply to message number: 40 DR> Anyone care to place bets on how many DFL cantidates for governor will sho DR> up at the fundraiser? F> F> Three. Damn, that's what I was going to guess. OK, I'll go for 4 then. And Norm won't be among them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: GT Date: Wed Dec 04 01:22:29 CST 1996 Message number: 42 Reply to message number: 41 DR> Anyone care to place bets on how many DFL cantidates for governor will sho DR> up at the fundraiser? F> F> Three. DR> DR> Damn, that's what I was going to guess. DR> DR> OK, I'll go for 4 then. And Norm won't be among them. There are already about 5 or 6 candidates. The question is who will actually go to the fundraiser. No, I think Norm has already burned his bridges whether he likes it or not. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: GT Date: Wed Dec 04 13:42:20 CST 1996 Message number: 43 Reply to message number: 39 DR> That's good, just bring your $5 and as many friends as you can pack into DR> your trunk. $5 each I'm assuming? So will freaks like us get kicked out, or just mean liberal stares? *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: GT Date: Thu Dec 05 02:13:32 CST 1996 Message number: 44 Reply to message number: 43 DR> That's good, just bring your $5 and as many friends as you can pack into DR> your trunk. BT> BT> $5 each I'm assuming? Yep, it's a fundraiser for the local DFL senate district ... they also have a silent auction. If last year was any indication, it's mostly political memorobilia with a little decent crap thrown in. BT> So will freaks like us get kicked out, or just mean liberal stares? Just tell 'em the cook invited you. If they have a problem, I'll spit in their food :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: Dates for events Date: Thu Dec 05 16:47:07 CST 1996 Message number: 45 Reply to message number: unavailable Well, the dfl dinner will be on May 3rd of next year ... giving everyone plenty of time to plan :) As for the GT here, someone here in the Senate District just planned something for the 22nd also ... which throws a kink into the plan, perhaps. How does Saturday or Sunday dinnertime (the 21st or the 22nd) work for people? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Dates for events Date: Thu Dec 05 16:57:11 CST 1996 Message number: 46 Reply to message number: 45 DR> As for the GT here, someone here in the Senate District just planned DR> something for the 22nd also ... which throws a kink into the plan, perhaps. DR> How does Saturday or Sunday dinnertime (the 21st or the 22nd) work for DR> people? Saturday is better, but I can plan for either. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: The GT Date: Wed Dec 11 15:43:10 CST 1996 Message number: 47 Reply to message number: unavailable Doesn't look good for people being able to show up, the weekend before Christmas just doesn't seem to be working for most people ... any recommendations? Should we, perhaps, delay it till January or just have it that weekend at a coffeehouse somewhere and see who shows up ...? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOLDILOCKS To: Claymoer Subject: .. Date: Sat Dec 14 08:20:13 CST 1996 Message number: 48 Reply to message number: unavailable Congrats on passing the driving test. Hope you have a good christmas and such. Take care GOldi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Anyone Subject: Re: bleah Date: Wed Dec 25 19:13:19 CST 1996 Message number: 49 Reply to message number: unavailable I'm back for two weeks. Then my band is doing our first album in Indianapolis. I had a good Christmas, except that my parents are getting divorced. No shit. And don't send any condolence-email if you didn't talk to me before now or I'll send you a nasty response (sorta). I'm bored. And cold. Bleah. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: bleah Date: Thu Dec 26 03:18:59 CST 1996 Message number: 50 Reply to message number: 49 BH> I'm back for two weeks. Then my band is doing our first album in BH> Indianapolis. I had a good Christmas, except that my parents are getting BH> divorced. No shit. And don't send any condolence-email if you didn't talk BH> me before now or I'll send you a nasty response (sorta). I'm bored. And BH> cold. BH> Welcome back. How is school? Glad to see you becoming an adult. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Froggy Subject: Re: bleah Date: Thu Dec 26 17:21:39 CST 1996 Message number: 51 Reply to message number: 50 F> Welcome back. How is school? Glad to see you becoming an adult. Yeah, well, for whatever that's worth. Actually, I'm just glad to be not-working. I never noticed how much of a luxury that is... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: bleah Date: Sat Dec 28 15:54:20 CST 1996 Message number: 52 Reply to message number: 49 BH> I'm back for two weeks. Then my band is doing our first album in BH> Indianapolis. I had a good Christmas, except that my parents are getting BH> divorced. No shit. And don't send any condolence-email if you didn't talk BH> me before now or I'll send you a nasty response (sorta). I'm really sorry to hear that you're going to be in Indianapolis. [whap, whap] Sorry, had to be done. BH> I'm bored. And cold. I'm tired. And mildly inebriated. Hey, is anyone still interested in a GT during January sometime or am I the only one interested in this ..? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: bleah Date: Mon Dec 30 18:39:38 CST 1996 Message number: 53 Reply to message number: 52 DR> I'm really sorry to hear that you're going to be in Indianapolis. DR> DR> [whap, whap] DR> DR> Sorry, had to be done. Yeah, well, it would be pretty awful, 'cept that it'll be with people that I like and we'll have something to show for it at the end. We're probably going to go around downtown schmoozing with all the club owners Scott (drummer) knows so we can get paid gigs there one day. Which will suck horribly, but it's sort of our "job" for whatever that's worth. Anyway, once we've got our shit together, demo and everything, I think we could actually not-lose-money on this music thing. Contracts are still a ways away, but I think we're good enough to at least break even. And rock in the process of course. :) DR> Hey, is anyone still interested in a GT during January sometime or am I th DR> only one interested in this ..? Well, I'm pretty sure I can't go. I'm sort of booked for a while... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: bleah Date: Tue Dec 31 04:25:14 CST 1996 Message number: 54 Reply to message number: 53 BH> Yeah, well, it would be pretty awful, 'cept that it'll be with people t BH> I like and we'll have something to show for it at the end. We're probably BH> going to go around downtown schmoozing with all the club owners Scott BH> (drummer) knows so we can get paid gigs there one day. Which will suck So what kind of sound are you folks going for anyways? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: Campaign '98 Date: Wed Jan 29 16:27:57 CST 1997 Message number: 55 Reply to message number: unavailable From weber017@maroon.tc.umn.edu Wed Jan 29 16:25:08 1997 Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 15:39:21 -0600 From: Eileen Weber Reply-To: dflfc@wavefront.com To: dflfc@wavefront.com Subject: Campaign 98 In response to Megan's request, here again is the Campaign 98 concept. I'm a little reluctant to disperse all details at this point, given the infinitude of the internet, so specific goals and objectives have either been muted or deleted. Please feel free to contact me or Erik (tho he is struggling with AOL :( these days) off-list for those details! It is important to understand that the money goal includes the cost to raise it, and to emphasize that this is an effort to build the party's local organization, i.e., to grow the grass so high that it can't be mowed down, and to augment our already impressive DFL voter mobilization machinery. ***************************************************************************** Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party Campaign '98 Committee Proposal 1998 will be a critical year for the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party. If we do not prove that we make a meaningful difference in elections, it is very likely that the populist foundation of our party will substantially erode. Caucus turnout is too low, candidate interest in, and commitment to, party endorsement has significantly waned, and interest in pursuing legislative "reforms" to the caucus/primary system continues to be strong, e.g., removing the sanctioned status of precinct caucuses. These changes are not in the best interest of the DFL Party, and threaten to diminish Minnesota's legendary reputation for open, accountable, grassroots politics. To address this need, the DFL State Executive Committee (SEC) has formed a temporary subcommittee to spearhead a reinvigoration of the DFL Party. Twelve Executive Committee members from around the state have formed the Campaign '98 Committee and named two co-chairs, Erik Peterson (CD8) and Eileen Weber (CD6). The committee's motto is, "Two Million Dollars, One Million Democrats." This motto reflects the goals that have been unanimously adopted by the SEC, namely: a) raising $XXXXXXX towards a special fund dedicated to electing endorsed candidates in 1998, and b) growing the "Good and Great Democrats" list to XXXXXXX names. As the driving force for the DFL Party, these goals need to be incorporated into everything the Party does, while remaining clearly identified. It is desirable that instead of duplicating the subcommittee structure that already exists within the party, that we use the subcommittees we have to reach Campaign 98's goals. In this way, the Campaign 98 Committee serves the party in much the same way a planning commission serves a city. The Campaign '98 Committee has envisioned some early objectives for reaching our goals, as listed on the back of this sheet. This list has grown with the ideas of DFLers like you as we have been talking it up around the state. Campaign 98 Committee Members: Eileen Weber (CD6) 612-458-0752 weber017@maroon.tc.umn.edu Erik Peterson (CD8) 218-525-1095 EScottP1@aol.com Beth Lareau (CD4) Greg Knutson (CD2) Steve Boice (CD6) Sarah Lewerenz (CD8) Gerrie Boice (CD6) Jackie Stevenson (CD3) Patti Indre (CD2) Dick Senese (CD5) Georgianna Ruzich (CD3) Joe Bester (CD5) Betsy O'Berry (ex officio) John Edwards (ex officio) **************************************************************************** What was on the back of this proposal was a preliminary list of activities towards achieving the party's goals. PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SEND ALONG ANY IDEAS YOU MAY HAVE!!! THIS WILL ONLY WORK IF OUR ACTIVISTS CONTRIBUTE IDEAS AND ENERGY! Epilogue: the SCC (state central committee) approved a budget that includes the staggered hiring of 2 field organizers, beginning this spring. They will NOT be office staff, they will work in the field. A field organizing plan will be drafted very soon, so please send in your ideas. Eileen __________________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the dflfc maillist, send a message containing only the following in the body of the message to: majordomo@wavefront.com unsubscribe dflfc {your email address} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Campaign '98 Date: Thu Jan 30 02:11:36 CST 1997 Message number: 56 Reply to message number: 55 DR> Campaign 98 Committee Members: DR> DR> Eileen Weber (CD6) 612-458-0752 weber017@maroon.tc.umn.edu DR> Erik Peterson (CD8) 218-525-1095 EScottP1@aol.com DR> Beth Lareau (CD4) DR> Greg Knutson (CD2) DR> Steve Boice (CD6) DR> Sarah Lewerenz (CD8) DR> Gerrie Boice (CD6) DR> Jackie Stevenson (CD3) DR> Patti Indre (CD2) DR> Dick Senese (CD5) DR> Georgianna Ruzich (CD3) DR> Joe Bester (CD5) DR> Betsy O'Berry (ex officio) DR> John Edwards (ex officio) DR> *************************************************************************** This past weekend, Dick Senese was also elected Chair of the DFL Party. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: FROGGY Subject: Re: Campaign '98 Date: Thu Jan 30 13:30:36 CST 1997 Message number: 57 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Froggy : DR> Dick Senese (CD5) Fr> Fr> This past weekend, Dick Senese was also elected Chair of the Fr> DFL Party. Yep, they met up at the technical school in Mankato from what I heard ... I pretty much grew up in the town, so I took notice of the location :-) ... Why didn't they stop at "Congress shall make no law"? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Campaign '98 Date: Thu Jan 30 16:34:19 CST 1997 Message number: 58 Reply to message number: 57 DR> Fr> This past weekend, Dick Senese was also elected Chair of the DR> Fr> DFL Party. DR> DR> Yep, they met up at the technical school in Mankato from what I heard ... DR> I pretty much grew up in the town, so I took notice of the location :-) DR> DR> I couldn't get there. The current beater I am driving will not start when the temperature is below 0. :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: Daed in `97 Date: Mon Feb 10 16:59:37 CST 1997 Message number: 59 Reply to message number: unavailable The person I wrote this to was on the school board in a northern burb fdor rhe past few years, and made an unsuccessful run for the state senate this past election. The person is anonymous because I didn't want to forward private e-mail with the person's name attatched. Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 17:17:06 -0600 (CST) From: ****************************************** To: Erik Schimek Subject: Re: School board query On Mon, 10 Feb 1997, Erik Schimek wrote: > At any rate, I was playing with the idea of making a run for the sc > board here in Inver Grove and I was wondering if you could share som > your opinions/experience with me ... I guess there are several thing > curious about, in particular what time of time committment is involv > running and serving (at least, in your experience). > Depends on what kind of board member you want to be. If you want to be a good board member, for the first year count on spending 30-40 hours a week learning-about committees, programs, kids concerns, negotiations, teachers concerns, parents concerns, administrative procedures, state laws, education finance and of course, all the education acronyms. Most evenings are filled with board meetings, pto's, violence prevention meetings, early childhood (district stuff) as well as state stuff-MSBA, SEE, ECSU, etc. Negotiations are this year and they are very time consuming. If you want to be the other kind of board member (and we had a couple of these) you spend 3 hours at a board meeting once every two weeks. If you work it right you can learn to read your packet while the meeting is progressing, ask all your dumb questions at the board table and make the motion to adjourn when it gets to be 10:00. I spent an awful lot of time being a board member the first two years but we had two years of major budget cuts. It wasn't pleasant. I didn't like the threats and hiring security for board meetings. It's a very cheap education if you're looking for experience on how to be a community representative and it's fun being involved in education. You really have to like kids to do it though. That's about the only reward you'll get for doing it. You get to know kids are benefitting from your decisions. I would recommend being a board member to anyone. I loved it. Don't know if I want to do it again though. I think I'm more dangerous as a private citizen at this point than an elected official. ******** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Daed in `97 Date: Tue Feb 11 02:02:57 CST 1997 Message number: 60 Reply to message number: 59 DR> be a good board member, for the first year count on spending 30-40 DR> hours a week learning-about committees, programs, kids concerns, DR> negotiations, teachers concerns, parents concerns, administrative DR> procedures, state laws, education finance and of course, all the DR> education acronyms. Most evenings are filled with board meetings, DR> pto's, violence prevention meetings, early childhood (district DR> stuff) as well as state stuff-MSBA, SEE, ECSU, etc. Negotiations DR> are this year and they are very time consuming. DR> DR> I spent an awful lot of time being a board member the first two years DR> but we had two years of major budget cuts. It wasn't pleasant. I DR> didn't like the threats and hiring security for board meetings. DR> Gives you a different slant on how stupidly the schools are run than you had when you were a kid in those schools, doesn't it? Did he also mention what the salary is for doing this kind of work? On the other hand, out here, the superintendent tried to keep school in session while they poured and catalyzed the new plastic gym floor. Several students and teachers were overcome, and he had to cancel school and send middle-school kids home alone in the middle of the day. I would LOVE to be a member of that school board when his contract comes up again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: FROGGY Subject: Re: Daed in `97 Date: Tue Feb 11 19:10:02 CST 1997 Message number: 61 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Froggy : Fr> Gives you a different slant on how stupidly the schools are Fr> run than you had when you were a kid in those schools, doesn't it? Not really. I always knew the schools were badlty run, whether through incompetence or indifference it doesn't really matter much. Fr> Did he also mention what the salary is for doing this kind of work? Nope, still need to find that out. I assume that it varies from district to disrict. I have about a month before the filing deadline, which actually gives me a lot of time to find out about it and mull it all over. BTW, here's the next message ... Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 08:14:41 -0600 (CST) From: ************************************************ To: Erik Schimek Subject: Re: School board query Didn't want to scare you off. Plan on spending 0-40 hours a week being a school board member. After the first year it should average out to about 10 a week (20 some weeks and 2 others) To run for the board it is best to sign up as soon as you can (to keep others out and let people know you're serious. Print a bunch of flyers, with a nice picture of yourself on the front, I can send you some examples if you're interested, and a lot of positive things you want to happen in the district. You stand outside schools and hand out these flyers to all the moms and dads that are bringing their kids to soccer, carnival, school plays, etc. The district office can give you a list of events at all the schools. You smile a lot and never say anything against the board. Be sure to have a prepared statement on abortion. Start using words like violence prevention, parent involvement, graduation standards, standardized testing, etc. Remeber to always say things positively. Instead of saying they treat kids like shit- say "I believe there is always a need to treat students, parents, and teachers with respect and I think we have to continually look for ways to improve on the way we do things." In education they like to be real wordy. You're lucky if the election is in May because it will cost you less $$$ to run. Some districts use signs (I know ****************************** does). Whe I ran it cost me about $700 for flyers and stuff (the Repubs pitched in $50) Do plan on spending some time at it at least the first year to get some training on how boards function and what a boardmembers role in the district is. Some do not take advantage of the training and the districts suffere because of it. ******************* ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Daed in `97 Date: Wed Feb 12 01:41:32 CST 1997 Message number: 62 Reply to message number: 61 DR> Fr> Gives you a different slant on how stupidly the schools are DR> Fr> run than you had when you were a kid in those schools, doesn't it? DR> DR> Not really. I always knew the schools were badlty run, whether through DR> incompetence or indifference it doesn't really matter much. DR> DR> Didn't want to scare you off. Plan on spending 0-40 hours a week being a DR> school board member. After the first year it should average out to about DR> 10 a week (20 some weeks and 2 others) DR> You missed my point. I was not saying that the board members were incompetent, although some of them certainly are. I was saying that it is a lot of work and BS to go through for so little, and there is also much criticism and little thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: FROGGY Subject: Re: Daed in `97 Date: Fri Feb 14 06:38:34 CST 1997 Message number: 63 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Froggy : Fr> You missed my point. I was not saying that the board members Fr> were incompetent, although some of them certainly are. I was saying Fr> that it is a lot of work and BS to go through for so little, and there Fr> is also much criticism and little thanks. I don't think so, though. If you can make the school better in some way, so that one kid stays in school, or finds inspiration, or a dream career, then it's certainly worth the work. You just have to hope, or dream, or imagine, that what you're doing can make that difference. To give you an idea where the person writing me is coming from, the school district was White Bear Lake ... and the timing was a few years ago, when their excess levy referrendums didn't pass and they had to fire a hundred teachers, close down almost all extracurricular activities, arts & foreign langauges, and make a lot of the sports teams find their own funding sources. In short, it's a vey extreme example ... most people don't have to hire security for their meetings. In Inver Grove here, I think they're lucky if they even get spectators ... much less protestors :-) ... Be suspicious of all native-born Esperanto speakers. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Daed in `97 Date: Fri Feb 14 09:23:02 CST 1997 Message number: 64 Reply to message number: 63 DR> Fr> that it is a lot of work and BS to go through for so little, and ther DR> Fr> is also much criticism and little thanks. DR> DR> I don't think so, though. If you can make the school better in some way, DR> so that one kid stays in school, or finds inspiration, or a dream career, DR> then it's certainly worth the work. You just have to hope, or dream, Well, that is the right attitude. :) We would have a much better world if more people thought like that. DR> school district was White Bear Lake ... and the timing was a few years DR> ago, when their excess levy referrendums didn't pass and they had to DR> fire a hundred teachers, close down almost all extracurricular activities, DR> arts & foreign langauges, and make a lot of the sports teams find their Since I was involved with a school district near WBL and it was also having probelme getting referendum levies approved, I know a little about the situation. I think that WBL has been a classic case where citizens want to get the benefits of all the additional income and taxes from expansion, but do not want to support the cost of that growth. Obviously, it you issue more building permits and encourage young families to move into the area, your schoo population is going to increase. But because of the way the schools are funded, partly by referenda, it is fairly easy for the voters to vote against the referendum and walk away from the result. It was only recently that WBL actually passed a referendum, and it is still woefully short and does not cover all their needs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DARING DIANE J. To: Daedalus Rising Subject: School in White Bear Lake Date: Sun Feb 16 12:54:00 CST 1997 Message number: 65 Reply to message number: unavailable Both Knownukes and I voted for the property tax increase here in White Bear. We do not, and never will have, children. However, we believe in education. It was quite a fight to get this school funding passed, I think. "Vote yes" streamers were flying in people's yards, we were solicited by phone to help organize yes votes . . . we had to wait in a long line for 30 minutes to vote. I'd be proud if you, DR, got on a school board. I think you could make a very positive difference. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daring Diane J. Subject: Re: School in White Bear Lake Date: Sun Feb 16 14:50:09 CST 1997 Message number: 66 Reply to message number: 65 DD> I'd be proud if you, DR, got on a school board. I think you could make a v DD> positive difference. Hear, Hear! I wouild even move to IGH and vote for him if I could. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: FROGGY Subject: Re: Daed in `97 Date: Mon Feb 17 11:21:55 CST 1997 Message number: 67 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Froggy : Fr> Since I was involved with a school district near WBL and it Fr> was also having probelme getting referendum levies approved, I know a Fr> little about the situation. I think that WBL has been a classic case Fr> where citizens want to get the benefits of all the additional income Fr> and taxes from expansion, but do not want to support the cost of that Fr> growth. It's also a classic case, in that it shows how valuable good schools are in a community. After White Bear Lake refused to pass several school referrendums, the value of their homes started diminishing - after all, who wants to buy a house in White Bear Lake and raise a family when the schools are notoriously undefunded? I mean, even the Chamber of Commerce asked for a bump in property taxes this time around :-) ... Texas is the Reason ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: DARING DIANE J. Subject: Re: School in White Bear Date: Mon Feb 17 11:21:56 CST 1997 Message number: 68 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Daring Diane J. : DDJ> I'd be proud if you, DR, got on a school board. Even if I voted to allow NSP to store dry casks on the football field, in return for a few shiny beads and trinkets? ... Be suspicious of all native-born Esperanto speakers. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Daed in `97 Date: Mon Feb 17 14:58:25 CST 1997 Message number: 69 Reply to message number: 67 DR> It's also a classic case, in that it shows how valuable good schools are DR> in a community. After White Bear Lake refused to pass several school DR> referrendums, the value of their homes started diminishing - after all, DR> who wants to buy a house in White Bear Lake and raise a family when DR> the schools are notoriously undefunded? DR> DR> I mean, even the Chamber of Commerce asked for a bump in property taxes DR> this time around :-) DR> I didn't know that. It is wonderful. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Froggy Subject: Re: Daed in `97 Date: Mon Feb 17 15:44:46 CST 1997 Message number: 70 Reply to message number: 69 DR> referrendums, the value of their homes started diminishing - after all, DR> who wants to buy a house in White Bear Lake and raise a family when DR> the schools are notoriously undefunded? F> I didn't know that. It is wonderful. :) To clarify, the home values wren't actually falling ... they were just rising very very slowly, compared to surrounding cities. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: All Subject: Boo Date: Tue Mar 04 17:35:14 CST 1997 Message number: 71 Reply to message number: unavailable Boo. Spring break is here for me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DARING DIANE J. To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: School in White Bear Date: Wed Mar 05 06:53:04 CST 1997 Message number: 72 Reply to message number: 68 you toy with me, sir. Nukes nevermore! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES Subject: Re: Boo Date: Thu Mar 06 11:03:54 CST 1997 Message number: 73 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Briareos Hecatonchires : BH> Boo. Spring break is here for me. You're supposed to be in Fort Lauderdale, not Minnesota! ... An optimist is a guy without much experience. ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: DARING DIANE J. Subject: Re: School in White Bear Date: Thu Mar 06 11:03:55 CST 1997 Message number: 74 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Daring Diane J. : DDJ> you toy with me, sir. DDJ> Nukes nevermore! What else are we going to use to light our homes, after we run out of fossil fuels, besides glowing radioactive children? ... Texas is the Reason ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Boo Date: Fri Mar 07 12:16:08 CST 1997 Message number: 75 Reply to message number: 73 DR> BH> Boo. Spring break is here for me. DR> DR> You're supposed to be in Fort Lauderdale, not Minnesota! I wish I was. Badly. I fuckin' hate this state's weather. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: School in White Bear Date: Fri Mar 07 16:54:08 CST 1997 Message number: 76 Reply to message number: 74 DR> What else are we going to use to light our homes, after we run out DR> of fossil fuels, besides glowing radioactive children? Cold fusion! Solar power! Hydro-electric excess net charge! Mice! *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: That darn DFL Date: Sat Mar 22 15:33:07 CST 1997 Message number: 77 Reply to message number: unavailable Penned up this letter tonight, thought I'd share it with y'all: Dear Mr. Senese, I have a great deal of faith in some things - the basic decency of people, the uplifting effects of participation and democracy, and the ideals of the Democratic party. But now, having seen first-hand how the State DFL party has operated this past year, I can no longer claim to have any faith in the party itself. I'm what you might call a youthful activist. A year ago I attended precinct caucases, felt welcomed, and found out what a great group of people the local party officers were. Since then, I've volunteered a lot of time and energy for the party and candidates, and for the most part have been very satisfied with the caliber of the people I've worked with. The lone exception to this has been anyone associated with the State party itself. Almost without exception, they have proven to be either ill-informed, incompetent, ungrateful, or a combination thereof. The problems began last fall, when I volunteered to work at the State DFL booth on two separate days. It began innocently enough, when I found out that while the Wellstone crew was willing to provide a ticket to anyone who would volunteer for a shift at the fair, the State DFL party would not reciprocate. It ended in frustration, when friends of mine who were told that the booth was in need of volunteers were turned away at the door. It is likely that the young interns who were left running the booth were overwhelmed by the responsibility, as those in charge had all left for the National convention in Chicago, leaving the interns with little information and even less real authority. The next problem arose when Al Gore came to town, to speak with a group of local police officers at Eagan City Hall. I was called the night before by a young man from the State party, and asked to be there when the Vice President showed up. Though I had other commitments, I told him that I'd be glad to help and drove out there the next day as instructed. I arrived there a few minutes late, and was directed to stand behind a rope barrier next to the City Hall building, which offered no protection from the pouring rain. We waited - and waited - and waited, and finally the Vice President showed up, walked by to quickly shake the hands of the people standing in front, and walked inside the building. The experience would not have been so bad, had I not been told by the young man from the State party that we should show up very early in order to have a chance to speak with Al Gore, who would be answering questions. It also would not been so bad had he went to the trouble to explain that we would be standing outside for an extended period of time - as the weather reports the day he called had indicated that rain was very likely. This is not just a matter of incompetence, or bad information. I was lied to by a representative of the State party, in order to get me there early, for some unknown reason. It would have been just as effective had we been asked to be there a half hour early, as opposed to and hour and a half early. The same crowd would have been there for the nightly news. The one bright moment that day was when Skip Humphrey took the time to thank all of us for coming, and thanked us for standing out in the rain to greet the Vice President. That kind of personal touch meant a great deal, and is something which seems to be utterly lacking in the State party itself. The latest problem happened this past Saturday night, at the Humphrey dinner. As my friend Mary Kaul and her husband were out in Arizona avoiding the worst of the Minnesota winter, they offered me one of their tickets to the event. I received a signed note with authorization to transfer the ticket over to me, as well as the original note from they received from the State DFL which detailed the event. After weaving through the high school tournament crowds, I found a place to park downtown and walked to the Radisson hotel. Once there I found that the hotel had incorrectly listed the location of the event. After getting lost several times, I finally found the place - but only after explaining to a hotel employee why his directions were incorrect. This certainly isn't the fault of the State party, but one would hope that someone would be responsible for making sure that accurate directions were posted in the lobby. Once upstairs I talked to the people at the greeting table and explained that I had a signed note from my friend Mary Kaul, who had wished me to attend the dinner in her place. I was greeted with the stone-faced reply, "Come back later." They seemed utterly unconcerned with my problem, suggesting that if I didn't have a ticket in hand that I was out of luck. My explanation, that no ticket was received because the recipient was in another state, was greeted with the same lack of concern. "Come back later" was the reply, seemingly a way to pass off the problem to someone else in authority. So, what was I to do? Wander around the Radisson hotel lobby for an hour, or perhaps go out front and play in traffic? I had been looking forward to seeing James Carville speak for weeks. But after talking with the "greeters", I was left disgusted and frustrated. With no assurance that I would be able to get in, I left the hotel and drove back home. A simple bit of human kindness, such as "We understand your problem, we'll see what we can do for you", would have gone a long way towards making me feel welcome. As it was, I felt as if I was little more than a slow dull child who was too stupid to bring along his ticket. I'm a Democrat. They're Democrats. If we are going to treat each other this way, with derision and suspicion, then the Republicans have already won. The local Senate District activists and candidates have been great - Wellstone and Vento's coordinators and volunteers were great - as were the people I have met at other DFL functions, from other districts and cities. Almost without fail, I'm glad to have met them and glad to have worked with them. With such talent available, why is it that the State DFL party can't seem to field a decent team? Why is it that most every time I deal with the State DFL party, I come away frustrated and angry? A party is not build on money or ideology. It's not built on a stack of inflexible rules. It's built on people, men and women who work together in the pursuit of common goals. The State DFL party is undermining itself, by turning away those who would work to build it up. This must stop, if the party is ever to regain the trust of those it purports to serve. Erik Schimek, Director SD 39 DFL (612) 552-7371 3125 E 78th St Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: That darn DFL Date: Wed May 21 07:01:03 CDT 1997 Message number: 78 Reply to message number: 77 No offense, but, "Blah, blah, blah, me, me, me". It sounds more like a big whine than anything else. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: That darn DFL Date: Wed May 21 14:32:54 CDT 1997 Message number: 79 Reply to message number: 78 BH> No offense, but, "Blah, blah, blah, me, me, me". It sounds more like BH> big whine than anything else. Well, it *is* a big whine. As a volunteer, I expect to be treated decently. When I'm not, I complain about it. When it happens habitually, I let people in authority know about it. I don't like being turned away at the door at a DFL event, lied to over the phone, or get stuck in the middle of a badly managed siuation. And neither do most people ... if we don't complain, it just happens again. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: That darn DFL Date: Sun Jun 15 13:00:32 CDT 1997 Message number: 80 Reply to message number: 79 Well, I suppose there's some truth to that. I do think it's better that you sent it rather than didn't, tho. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TEMP To: Daedalus Rising Subject: is to make a difference; Date: Wed Aug 06 21:35:51 CDT 1997 Message number: 81 Reply to message number: 1 is to make a difference. Even the act of writing together on this base clarifies our thinking; so thre is no doubt that the base makes a difference. Furthermore, I believe we do make a difference. The decency act was declared indecent; not necessarily because of anything anyone did; but we can'tknow that. A few politicians care about what we think (if our thinking seems cogent) (if we represent a voting block). The saddest thing right now is that we can't even think about re-writing the Constitution because the result would be so undemocratic, so mired in the mud of various slef-interest groups as to be unrecognizable. What would the Ten Amendments look like if written (shudder) today. (self-interest)