------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: Quotes Date: Tue Jun 06 14:50:47 CDT 1995 Message number: 1 Reply to message number: unavailable This base is to post memorable quotes; the stupid, humourous and even the insightful ones. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Starfire Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Wed Sep 18 09:35:35 CDT 1996 Message number: 2 Reply to message number: -3 S> Weird...those must be some cool parents. Mine happen to believe that rock S> music is of the "devil" and so they don't particularly like it that I even S> listen to it. Of course, rock music comes from africa, and in africa they aren't christian - they're evil. (At least that's what I'm told...) *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Goldilocks Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Wed Sep 18 12:08:38 CDT 1996 Message number: 3 Reply to message number: 0 S> Weird...those must be some cool parents. Mine happen to believe that rock S> music is of the "devil" and so they don't particularly like it that I even S> listen to it. F> F> Wow. They must REALLY love your reading Tarot. :) G> G> Froggy, did you corrupt another one? :) G> Nah, she was well on the way before she ran across me. I just encouraged her a bit. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Little Niro Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Thu Sep 19 17:35:31 CDT 1996 Message number: 4 Reply to message number: -2 LN> Don't take this badly but you've got some messed up parents. What did they LN> listen too in there teenage years? Ask them. Probably some risque band of LN> their own time. I know that they are messed up. I'm pretty used to it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Froggy Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Thu Sep 19 17:36:27 CDT 1996 Message number: 5 Reply to message number: -1 F> Wow. They must REALLY love your reading Tarot. :) Do you really think that they know that I read Tarot, cast speels in their house or that I'm a witch? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Thu Sep 19 17:37:47 CDT 1996 Message number: 6 Reply to message number: 2 BT> Of course, rock music comes from africa, and in africa they aren't christia BT> they're evil. BT> BT> (At least that's what I'm told...) that is an interesting point. don't give them anymore ideas. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Starfire Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Thu Sep 19 18:55:43 CDT 1996 Message number: 7 Reply to message number: 5 F> Wow. They must REALLY love your reading Tarot. :) S> S> Do you really think that they know that I read Tarot, cast speels in their S> house or that I'm a witch? No, but they may notice if the house burns down. Behave yourself. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOLDILOCKS To: Froggy Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Fri Sep 20 09:25:06 CDT 1996 Message number: 8 Reply to message number: 3 G> Froggy, did you corrupt another one? :) G> F> Nah, she was well on the way before she ran across me. I just F> encouraged her a bit. :) Ok well in that case you're just being the "ultimate" guru to yet another person! :) We'll let it slide this time. Take care Goldi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Goldilocks Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Fri Sep 20 11:22:57 CDT 1996 Message number: 9 Reply to message number: 8 F> Nah, she was well on the way before she ran across me. I just F> encouraged her a bit. :) G> G> Ok well in that case you're just being the "ultimate" guru to yet another G> person! :) G> G> We'll let it slide this time. G> OK, but don't call me Guru. Priestess will be fine. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Starfire Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Fri Sep 20 11:47:14 CDT 1996 Message number: 10 Reply to message number: -3 S> Weird...those must be some cool parents. Mine happen to believe that rock S> music is of the "devil" and so they don't particularly like it that I even S> listen to it. I find something strange.. in my school they have a prayer group that comes in on wed mornings - Christian. Now.. some devil worshipers wanted to have one .. but the people wouldnt let them because of their beliefs. I think that is wrong. Seperation of church and state.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Starfox Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Sat Sep 21 14:53:14 CDT 1996 Message number: 11 Reply to message number: 10 S> I think that is wrong. Seperation of church and state.. ...or at least the abscence of descrimination between the two. *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Starfox Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Sat Sep 21 17:48:59 CDT 1996 Message number: 12 Reply to message number: 10 S> I find something strange.. in my school they have a prayer group that comes S> on wed mornings - Christian. Now.. some devil worshipers wanted to have one S> .. but the people wouldnt let them because of their beliefs. If you called them on it, they'd probably say something to the effect of, "One group is a real organization, the other is a joke. We don't have to take the latter seriously." And there's somehting to that. Unfortunately, some administrators would be hard-pressed to accept Wicca, Satanism, Druidism, or any other similar religion as real because of their preconceived notions of what they're all about. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Froggy Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Mon Sep 23 09:41:44 CDT 1996 Message number: 13 Reply to message number: 7 S> Do you really think that they know that I read Tarot, cast speels in their S> house or that I'm a witch? F> F> No, but they may notice if the house burns down. Behave yourself. F> :) And why would the house burn down? I have most of my candles well contained. I'm being a good little girl (ding...did you see the halo?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Starfox Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Mon Sep 23 09:43:49 CDT 1996 Message number: 14 Reply to message number: 10 S> Weird...those must be some cool parents. Mine happen to believe that rock S> music is of the "devil" and so they don't particularly like it that I even S> listen to it. S> S> I find something strange.. in my school they have a prayer group that comes S> on wed mornings - Christian. Now.. some devil worshipers wanted to have one S> .. but the people wouldnt let them because of their beliefs. S> S> I think that is wrong. Seperation of church and state.. Actually there is a group exactly like that at my school (the christian one and it is run by my sister). We also have a FCA (federation of christian athleats) where you can lettter in being a christian. What? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Big Teebo Subject: church.....state Date: Mon Sep 23 09:44:44 CDT 1996 Message number: 15 Reply to message number: 11 S> I think that is wrong. Seperation of church and state.. BT> BT> ...or at least the abscence of descrimination between the two. Yeah well everyone knows that shcool is our government and we have no say in the matter. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Daedalus Rising Subject: tree dancing Date: Mon Sep 23 09:47:17 CDT 1996 Message number: 16 Reply to message number: 12 DR> And there's somehting to that. Unfortunately, some administrators would be DR> hard-pressed to accept Wicca, Satanism, Druidism, or any other similar DR> religion as real because of their preconceived notions of what they're all DR> about. Actually there was a group of Wiccans and Druids that organized their own "meet me at the pole" kindof thing and they danced around a tree in the front of the school. They all got 3 days out of school suspension. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Starfire Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Mon Sep 23 11:01:06 CDT 1996 Message number: 17 Reply to message number: 13 F> No, but they may notice if the house burns down. Behave yourself. F> :) S> S> And why would the house burn down? I have most of my candles well contained S> I'm being a good little girl (ding...did you see the halo?) Yeh. Keep it under wraps. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Starfire Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Mon Sep 23 11:02:23 CDT 1996 Message number: 18 Reply to message number: 14 S> and it is run by my sister). We also have a FCA (federation of christian S> athleats) where you can lettter in being a christian. What? That is a Separation of Church and State issue. If I were a parent there, I would complain. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Starfire Subject: Re: church.....state Date: Mon Sep 23 11:03:41 CDT 1996 Message number: 19 Reply to message number: 15 S> Yeah well everyone knows that shcool is our government and we have no say in S> the matter. True, but I wonder if you might have more than you think. Have you ever thought about going to school board meetings? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Starfire Subject: Re: tree dancing Date: Mon Sep 23 11:04:48 CDT 1996 Message number: 20 Reply to message number: 16 DR> And there's somehting to that. Unfortunately, some administrators would be DR> hard-pressed to accept Wicca, Satanism, Druidism, or any other similar DR> religion as real because of their preconceived notions of what they're all DR> about. S> S> Actually there was a group of Wiccans and Druids that organized their own S> "meet me at the pole" kindof thing and they danced around a tree in the fron S> of the school. They all got 3 days out of school suspension. Find some agreeable adults and file a complaint. This is unconstitutional. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GOLDILOCKS To: Froggy Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Mon Sep 23 12:00:19 CDT 1996 Message number: 21 Reply to message number: 9 F> OK, but don't call me Guru. Priestess will be fine. :) Hear Hear! Priestess will do just fine :) Take care goldi ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Mon Sep 23 13:02:55 CDT 1996 Message number: 22 Reply to message number: 12 DR> "One group is a real organization, the other is a joke. We don't have to ta DR> the latter seriously." Then couldnt we get them again for discrimination? DR> And there's somehting to that. Unfortunately, some administrators would be DR> hard-pressed to accept Wicca, Satanism, Druidism, or any other similar DR> religion as real because of their preconceived notions of what they're all DR> about. That is schitt. I know it will happen -- It DOES happen. It is not fair though... Life aint fiar either.. But aint there something you can DO about it? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Starfire Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Mon Sep 23 13:04:22 CDT 1996 Message number: 23 Reply to message number: 14 S> Actually there is a group exactly like that at my school (the christian one S> and it is run by my sister). We also have a FCA (federation of christian S> athleats) where you can lettter in being a christian. What? WHat a load of crap. THis is not suposed to happen. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Starfox Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Mon Sep 23 18:49:29 CDT 1996 Message number: 24 Reply to message number: 22 DR> "One group is a real organization, the other is a joke. We don't have to ta DR> the latter seriously." S> S> Then couldnt we get them again for discrimination? Theoretically, but in practice it's not usually very practical. It's best to devote limited resources towards really egregious cases, which (hopefully) sends a message to the more `innocent' tramplers of civil liberties. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LITTLE NIRO To: Starfox Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Tue Sep 24 16:15:03 CDT 1996 Message number: 25 Reply to message number: 22 S> That is schitt. I know it will happen -- It DOES happen. It is not fair S> though... Life aint fiar either.. But aint there something you can DO about S> it? You damn right this is shit. And no there ain't shit you can do about until your 18 and even then you have about a next to nothing chance of a say in government unless you're actually in it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Froggy Subject: Church....State Date: Wed Sep 25 13:59:02 CDT 1996 Message number: 26 Reply to message number: 18 F> That is a Separation of Church and State issue. If I were a parent F> there, I would complain. I would too but in this matter I disagree with my parents and I don't want to be made an example. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Froggy Subject: Re: tree dancing Date: Wed Sep 25 13:59:55 CDT 1996 Message number: 27 Reply to message number: 20 S> Actually there was a group of Wiccans and Druids that organized their own S> "meet me at the pole" kindof thing and they danced around a tree in the fron S> of the school. They all got 3 days out of school suspension. F> F> Find some agreeable adults and file a complaint. This is F> unconstitutional. I would but that my parents wouldn't like it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Starfox Subject: Re: musical quotes Date: Wed Sep 25 14:00:58 CDT 1996 Message number: 28 Reply to message number: 23 S> Actually there is a group exactly like that at my school (the christian one S> and it is run by my sister). We also have a FCA (federation of christian S> athleats) where you can lettter in being a christian. What? S> S> WHat a load of crap. THis is not suposed to happen. But it does and there is really nothing I personally can do about it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Starfire Subject: Re: tree dancing Date: Wed Sep 25 14:14:26 CDT 1996 Message number: 29 Reply to message number: 27 S> I would but that my parents wouldn't like it. Boohoohoo, stand up to them - I can understand that difference in religious beliefs can be tough and often not something to be trifled with, but this time you have the law on your side and it's not saying that your not Christian or against Christianity in any way, you just want equal rights for all people.. *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Starfire Subject: Re: tree dancing Date: Wed Sep 25 14:57:03 CDT 1996 Message number: 30 Reply to message number: 27 S> I would but that my parents wouldn't like it. Speaking of which, it's not like they would really know either.. *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Starfire Subject: Re: Church....State Date: Wed Sep 25 17:25:17 CDT 1996 Message number: 31 Reply to message number: 26 S> I would too but in this matter I disagree with my parents and I don't want t S> be made an example. Can't blame you for that. I was about your age when I had an enormous ethical differenc with my parents, too, and I don't wish it on anyone. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: tree dancing Date: Wed Sep 25 17:27:06 CDT 1996 Message number: 32 Reply to message number: 29 S> I would but that my parents wouldn't like it. BT> BT> Boohoohoo, stand up to them - I can understand that difference in religious BT> beliefs can be tough and often not something to be trifled with, but this t BT> you have the law on your side and it's not saying that your not Christian o BT> against Christianity in any way, you just want equal rights for all people. BT> That is a good point, but for now she has to live there. Maybe she could agitate underground and not be visible in the foment she creates. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: tree dancing Date: Thu Sep 26 17:34:00 CDT 1996 Message number: 33 Reply to message number: 29 BT> Boohoohoo, stand up to them - I can understand that difference in religious BT> beliefs can be tough and often not something to be trifled with, but this t BT> you have the law on your side and it's not saying that your not Christian o BT> against Christianity in any way, you just want equal rights for all people. This thing is that I want to participate in a tree dancing in the morning and see if I get caught. I wouldn't mind being an elective to help others but I couldn't get caught in the act. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: tree dancing Date: Thu Sep 26 17:34:35 CDT 1996 Message number: 34 Reply to message number: 30 S> I would but that my parents wouldn't like it. BT> BT> Speaking of which, it's not like they would really know either.. They would if I got OSS. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Froggy Subject: Re: Church....State Date: Thu Sep 26 17:36:47 CDT 1996 Message number: 35 Reply to message number: 31 S> I would too but in this matter I disagree with my parents and I don't want t S> be made an example. F> F> Can't blame you for that. I was about your age when I had an F> enormous ethical differenc with my parents, too, and I don't wish it on F> anyone. I don't agree with them on a lot of things and I set up a hopothetical situation asking my mom what she would do if I was a lesbian. And she said that she would spend every last day of her life convincing me that I wasn't. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Starfire Subject: Re: tree dancing Date: Fri Sep 27 10:45:57 CDT 1996 Message number: 36 Reply to message number: 34 BT> Speaking of which, it's not like they would really know either.. S> They would if I got OSS. Somehow I don't think they can do that for dancing around a tree. Wouldn't that make them look stupid? What are they going to put on the slip, "Pogoing around vegetation"? *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Starfire Subject: Re: Church....State Date: Fri Sep 27 10:48:50 CDT 1996 Message number: 37 Reply to message number: 35 S> situation asking my mom what she would do if I was a lesbian. And she said S> that she would spend every last day of her life convincing me that I wasn't. Suggest to her that you could end that discussion pre-maturly for her next time she wants to shovel that crap on you. *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: tree dancing Date: Fri Sep 27 17:34:32 CDT 1996 Message number: 38 Reply to message number: 36 BT> Somehow I don't think they can do that for dancing around a tree. Wouldn't BT> that make them look stupid? What are they going to put on the slip, "Pogoi BT> around vegetation"? BT> How about, "Conducting pagan religious rites on school property."? Then that leaves the way open for more Christian pogoing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: tree dancing Date: Sat Dec 23 18:20:58 CST 1995 Message number: 39 Reply to message number: 36 BT> Speaking of which, it's not like they would really know either.. S> They would if I got OSS. BT> BT> Somehow I don't think they can do that for dancing around a tree. Wouldn't BT> that make them look stupid? What are they going to put on the slip, "Pogoi BT> around vegetation"? Yeah or how about "strutting among plantae"? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: Church....State Date: Sat Dec 23 18:21:36 CST 1995 Message number: 40 Reply to message number: 37 S> situation asking my mom what she would do if I was a lesbian. And she said S> that she would spend every last day of her life convincing me that I wasn't. BT> BT> Suggest to her that you could end that discussion pre-maturly for her next BT> time she wants to shovel that crap on you. And how could I do that? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Froggy Subject: Re: tree dancing Date: Sat Dec 23 18:22:24 CST 1995 Message number: 41 Reply to message number: 38 F> How about, "Conducting pagan religious rites on school property."? F> Then that leaves the way open for more Christian pogoing. Exactly my point. Why isn't it okay for me but it is okay for them? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: KRUSTY To: All Subject: fixing the stupid newscan pointers Date: Sun Oct 06 18:31:25 CDT 1996 Message number: 42 Reply to message number: unavailable "Poke, poke poke yer eyes out!" -Angry Samoans ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Krusty Subject: Re: fixing the stupid newscan pointers Date: Mon Oct 07 10:18:20 CDT 1996 Message number: 43 Reply to message number: 42 K> "Poke, poke poke yer eyes out!" K> -Angry Samoans "And into the eyes of a jackyl I say KAAAAAAAA BOOM!" - Billy Corgan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JER To: All Subject: Freedom Date: Tue Nov 12 08:12:51 CST 1996 Message number: 44 Reply to message number: unavailable "One can so emphaisize freedom in such a way as to be bound by it" -Alan Watts ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SPECTER To: All Subject: Quotes Date: Tue Nov 12 11:43:54 CST 1996 Message number: 45 Reply to message number: unavailable Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists. -Alan Bennett, British Playwright and actor The language of priorities is the religion of Socialism -Aneurin Bevan, British Labour politician Compassion is not a sloppy sentimental feeling for people who are underpriveleged or sick... it is an absolutely practical belief that, regardless of a person's background, ability or ability to pay, he should be provided with the best that society has to offer. -Neil Kinnock, British politician So, to get some discussion going, any comments on these quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Specter Subject: Re: Quotes Date: Wed Nov 13 13:57:11 CST 1996 Message number: 46 Reply to message number: 45 S> Why is it always the intelligent people who are socialists. S> S> -Alan Bennett, British Playwright and actor Why is it always the intelligent people who can find intelligence and value in others, no matter what their political ideology? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SPECTER To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Quotes Date: Wed Nov 13 16:28:03 CST 1996 Message number: 47 Reply to message number: 46 DR> Why is it always the intelligent people who can find intelligence and DR> value in others, no matter what their political ideology? Just a guess. Because they can dare and are able to look deeper than the ideologies? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SMP To: All Subject: Quotes Date: Tue Dec 03 12:09:06 CST 1996 Message number: 48 Reply to message number: unavailable "Don't get high off your own supply" - Ice Cube ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE THE LUCKY To: All Subject: wise professor Date: Mon Dec 09 14:08:39 CST 1996 Message number: 49 Reply to message number: unavailable "Reification is an amazing thing. I write something in pencil, and five minutes later my students have it engraved in stone." Dr. Douglas Brown, professor of Political Science and former Honors Director, Arizona Western College, Yuma ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Dave The Lucky Subject: Re: wise professor Date: Thu Dec 19 10:48:39 CST 1996 Message number: 50 Reply to message number: 49 "Spoon!" -the Tick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE THE LUCKY To: All Subject: quote in Sunday STrib Date: Sun Dec 22 13:00:49 CST 1996 Message number: 51 Reply to message number: unavailable "I don't have time to distinguish between the unfortunate and the incompetent." -Air Force General Curtis LeMay Commander of US airborne nuclear forces during the 1950's, and vice-presidential running mate of George Wallace in 1968. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE THE LUCKY To: Starfire Subject: Re: Church....State Date: Sun Dec 29 06:29:42 CST 1996 Message number: 52 Reply to message number: 35 S> I don't agree with them on a lot of things and I set up a hopothetical S> situation asking my mom what she would do if I was a lesbian. And she said S> that she would spend every last day of her life convincing me that I wasn't. That's depressing. Sometimes I get a little resentful that my mother wasn't able to support me more when I was a teenager. She worked two waitress jobs so that my stepfather could afford powerboats and snowmobiles to impress his friends. She was rarely able to attend the plays or concerts I'd be in. She couldn't give my any money to attend college. If I'm a little aloof from my family nowadays, it's because we really didn't have the opportunity to be close when I was growing up. Still, my mom would have never done anything like that to me. Had I decided that I was gay, she would have been taken aback, surely. She probably would have questioned if I was sure about my decision. But she would have eventually accepted my decision and even welcomed my partner into the family. She would not have started a campaign of denial intended to make me believe that I was too childish to understand what my best interests were, nor would she have assumed that I was too stupid to have learned my childhood lessons. My mom: with all of her flaws, I think I'll keep her. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE THE LUCKY To: All Subject: Bertrand Russell's Ten Commandments Date: Sun Dec 29 06:39:40 CST 1996 Message number: 53 Reply to message number: unavailable 1. Do not feel certain of anything. 2. Do not think it worthwhile to produce belief by concealing evidence, for the evidence is sure to come to light. 3. Never try to discourage thinking, for you are sure to succeed. 4. When met with opposition, even if it should be from your husband or your children, endeavor to overcome it by argument and not by authority, for a victory dependent upon authority is unreal and illusory. 5. Have no respect for the authority of others, for there are always contrary authorities to be found. 6. Do not use power to suppress opinions you think pernicious, for if you do the opinions will suppres you. 7. Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric. 8. Find more pleasure in intelligent dissents than in passive agreement, for, if you value intelligence as you should, the former implies a deeper agreement than the latter. 9. Be scrupulously truthful, even when truth is inconvenient, for it is more inconvenient when you try to conceal it. 10. Do not feel envious of the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise, for only a fool will think that it is happiness. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Dave The Lucky Subject: Re: Church....State Date: Sun Dec 29 08:02:34 CST 1996 Message number: 54 Reply to message number: 52 DT> My mom: with all of her flaws, I think I'll keep her. That is exactly what I have come to agree with. How old is that message you quoted of mine? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Dave The Lucky Subject: Re: Bertrand Russell's Ten Commandments Date: Sun Dec 29 14:59:01 CST 1996 Message number: 55 Reply to message number: 53 DT> 2. Do not think it worthwhile to produce belief by concealing evidence, fo DT> the evidence is sure to come to light. So who was/is this Bertrand Russel fellow, anyways? I've heard the name, but can't say I know much about him ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE THE LUCKY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Bertrand Russell's Ten Commandments Date: Mon Dec 30 13:52:01 CST 1996 Message number: 56 Reply to message number: 55 Rather than try to explain, I'll just steal somebody else's explanation: (from "The Concise Columbia Encyclopedia") RUSSELL, BERTRAND ARTHUR WILLIAM RUSSELL, 3rd Earl, 1872-1970 British philosopher, mathematician, and social reformer. b.: Wales. The grandson of Lord John Russell, the 1st Earl Russell, he succeeded to the earldom in 1931. While teaching at Cambridge Univ., Russell produced his most important works, _Principles of Mathematics_ (1903) and, with Alfred North Whitehead, _Principia Mathematica_ (1 vol., 1910-1913), in which he attempted to show how the laws of mathematics could be deduced from the basic axioms of logic. His work had great influence on 20th century symbolic logic, on the set theory of mathematics, and in logical positivism, especially in the work of his student, Ludwig Wittgenstein. An undogmatic but zealous rationalist, Russell was deeply convinced of the logical independence of individual facts and the dependence of knowledge on the data of original experience. Well known for his social views, he was an active pacifist during World War I. In 1927, he and his wife founded the highly experimental Beacon Hill School. His liberal views on marriage, sex, adultery, and homosexuality made him controversial during most of the 1930's. He abandoned pacifism during World War II in the face of the Nazi threat, but reverted to it after the war, becoming a leader in the "ban the bomb" movement to halt the manufacture of nuclear weapons. In the 1960's, he and Jean-Paul Sartre organized European opposition to U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War. Russell's radicalism kept him from a traditional academic career, and he supported himself chiefly by his writings, many of them widely read, e.g., _Marriage and Morals_ (1929), _A History of Western Philosophy_ (1945), and his autobiography (3 vols., 1967-1969). In 1950, he was awarded the Nobel Prize in Literature. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAVE THE LUCKY To: Starfire Subject: Re: Church....State Date: Mon Dec 30 14:15:45 CST 1996 Message number: 57 Reply to message number: 54 S> That is exactly what I have come to agree with. How old is that message you S> quoted of mine? Over four months old by now. Sorry to be dredging up old news, but it seemed worth commenting on. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SIR ANDREW To: All Subject: A quote Date: Sun Jan 05 09:37:27 CST 1997 Message number: 58 Reply to message number: unavailable Just a little quote, that I feel, is quite close to the truth... "The vast majority of people have enormous potentiality of thinking, far beyond anything ordinarily suspected; but so seldom do the right circumstances by chances surround them to require their actualiztion that the vast majority die without realizing more than a fraction of their powers. Born millionaires, they live and die in poverty for the lack of favourable circumstances which would have compelled them to convert their credit into cash." Don't have the author's name anymore, just the quote. Sorry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Sir Andrew Subject: Re: A quote Date: Sun Jan 05 09:53:58 CST 1997 Message number: 59 Reply to message number: 58 SA> "The vast majority of people have enormous potentiality of SA> thinking, far beyond anything ordinarily suspected; but so seldom do SA> the right circumstances by chances surround them to require their SA> actualiztion that the vast majority die without realizing more than a SA> fraction of their powers. Born millionaires, they live and die in SA> poverty for the lack of favourable circumstances which would have SA> compelled them to convert their credit into cash." SA> Don't know for sure, but this sounds like L. Ron Hubbard -- Psychocybernetics. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: Talk show mania Date: Fri Jan 17 07:14:31 CST 1997 Message number: 60 Reply to message number: unavailable Everything I Know I Learned from Talk Radio - 1996 Highlights - And I just buy Playboy for the articles JANUARY 4: In response to a caller's complaint about convenience stores indiscriminantly handing out Winston cigarette branded merchandise to children, Republican talk radio host John Carlson asserts that "cigarette advertising exists only to get smokers to change brands, like from Camels to Winstons".   That is, the ubiquitous Joe Camel cartoon character is not intended to recruit children into the ranks of the nicotine-addicted. Carlson further asserts that children actually start smoking because they see their grunge rock stars in Rolling Stone smoking or a character in "Friends" smoking.   When the caller attempts to rebut these assertions, Carlson hangs up on him, calling him a "fanatical anti-smoking advocate who doesn't know when to shut up!" Carlson's show is sponsored by Bartell Drug Stores. Damning with faint praise JANUARY 5:  Republican talk radio host Kirby Wilbur calls President Clinton a "draft dodger" and "traitor" for what he did during the Vietnam (undeclared) War. However, Wilbur says he does not believe the President is a murderer. Wilbur's show is sponsored by The Spirit of Washington Murder Mystery Train. Why talk when you can fight? JANUARY 5:  Republican talk radio host Kirby Wilbur articulates his personal method of rational discourse on the political, social, religious, and moral issues he discusses on his show, saying "it's not just a debate at the Oxford debating society, it's a war!". Wilbur's show is sponsored by Evergreen Money Source (a loan company). JANUARY 10: Radio Rabbi Dan Lapin has Hugh Sprunt as a guest on the show. Sprunt, a self-styled "expert" on the death of Vincent Foster, explained why he has the necessary experience to investigate Foster's death.   As a child, Sprunt helped his grandfather commit suicide with a similar handgun: a 38 caliber with a 4" barrel and using high-velocity ammunition. Sprunt helped his grandfather choose between two handguns to do the deed with, then went out of the room, closing the door behind him. When he heard his grandfather fire the shot that blew his brains out, he went back in the room and saw the blown-out brains and the blood pumping while his grandfather died.   Based on this gory (and no doubt traumatic) experience, Sprunt says that Foster's death was "too clean" to be a suicide. FEBRUARY 2: Republican talk radio host Kirby Wilbur informs his listeners that the difference between Nazis and Communists is "semantic and on the surface. Only the color of the uniforms was different". This as part of a proof that Nazis were/are left-wing. Wilbur's show is sponsored by Bernie's Bagels. Honey, where's my good white sheet? I'm late for my Elks meeting FEBRUARY 16: Republican talk radio host Kirby Wilbur interviews Larry Pratt of Pat Buchanan's presidential campaign. Wilbur sympathizes with Pratt, suggesting that for Pratt to attend a Randy Weaver support rally which included speakers from the Aryan Nations is actually quite innocuous - "like me going down to an Elk's meeting". Wilbur's show is sponsored by Kaufman's Tall & Big Men's Shop. So that's what "Be All That You Can Be" means MARCH 28: Republican radio talk show host Michael Reagan says that American soldiers are paid so little that, when they are sent overseas, their wives have to become prostitutes in order to support their families. Reagan's show is sponsored by Extra Strength Gold Bond Medicated Powder. Did his kid come home with a bad report card today? MAY 1: Republican talk radio host Mike Reagan tells of schools teaching that students "should have two homosexual encounters before having a heterosexual one". Reagan neglects to name any such school, though. He goes on to say "there's nothing being taught in schools today" and "there's garbage being taught in school today". So which is it? Nothing or garbage? Reagan's show is sponsored by the Fonix Game. Hey, we all make mistakes our first week on the job MAY 9: Limbaugh, keeping the conspiracy flames alive, says "She [Janet Reno] ordered that hit on Waco". Limbaugh's show is sponsored by the "Snappy" Computer Video Snapshot. What about that awkward bit in the Constitution about "Cruel and Unusual"? JUNE 19: Today's history trivia question on Kirby Wilbur's radio talk show is "Where were Julian and Ethel Rosenberg executed?". Wilbur enjoys this topic, saying he thinks they were executed in the gas chamber and that "I hope it took a good, long time" for them to die. Wilbur's show is sponsored by Sleep Country USA, a mattress retailer. If I wanted facts, I'd make them up myself... JULY 11: Limbaugh, defending the debunked claim in retired FBI Agent Gary Aldrich's book Unlimited Access that Bill and Hillary Clinton made a deal in 1992 where she would stick by him in return for power after the election, says: "It doesn't matter if Aldrich got it right or not - we all know something like that must have happened!" Limbaugh is sponsored by Bayer Aspirin. The End of Civility As We Know It strikes again... JULY 17: Republican talk radio host Mike Reagan, that paragon of civility, talks about "[Tom] Daschle's idiot boss, Ted Kennedy, who never walked past a bar he didn't like". Reagan's show is sponsored by the Sequester Weight Loss Program. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: All Subject: cow Date: Tue Jan 21 09:18:09 CST 1997 Message number: 61 Reply to message number: unavailable You can jump off a bridge in outer space, but will you land? -Shensey (Me..) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Starfox Subject: Re: cow Date: Thu Jan 23 00:19:11 CST 1997 Message number: 62 Reply to message number: 61 S> You can jump off a bridge in outer space, but will you land? S> Where is this bridge and who built it? :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SLACKER To: All Subject: quotes Date: Tue Feb 04 17:06:27 CST 1997 Message number: 63 Reply to message number: unavailable "why for must I partake in this stupidity people so candidly reffer to as life" -Slacker ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: GRIFFIN To: All Subject: quotes Date: Tue Feb 25 15:53:20 CST 1997 Message number: 64 Reply to message number: unavailable (humor) "I'd like to meet the man who invented sex to see what he is working on now" "Statisticians do it with 95% confidence" "You have to regard everything I say with suspicion -- I may be trying to bullshit you, or I may just be bullshitting you inadvertently." "Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SANDMAN To: ALL Subject: Quotes Date: Thu Mar 06 19:21:48 CST 1997 Message number: 65 Reply to message number: unavailable Some very interesting quotes from the fundy right---Sandman Ä Area: CHURCH&STATE ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ From: Charles Sumner Read: Yes Replied: No To: Tim Hutzler Mark: Subj: Fundamentalists ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ "There are 15,700 school districts in America. When we get an active Christian parents' committee in operation in all districts, we can take complete control of all local school boards. This would allow us to determine all local policy; select good textbooks; good curriculum programs; superintendents and principals. Our time has come!" --Robert Simonds, Citizens for Excellence in Education, undated fundraising letter, circa 1984 ***** "I imagine every Christian would agree that we need to remove the humanism from the public schools. There is only one way to accomplish this: to abolish the public schools." --the Rev. Robert L. Thoburn, The Children Trap, 1986 ***** "I consider it a shameful disgrace that Catholic schools are generally deprived of government funds. But I call it an even more shameful disgrace that in those cases in which such funds are provided, the school is expected to refrain from teaching Catholic values, or may even be required to stop calling itself a Catholic school. I want no such interference in the Catholic school system of this archdiocese. We are Catholic or we shouldn't be in business at all." --Cardinal John J. O'Connor, Catholic New York, April 1988 ***** "Our purpose must be to spread the gospel on the new mission field that the Lord has opened--public high schools....Yes, the so-called `wall of separation' between church and state has begun to crumble." --Jay Alan Sekulow, American Center for Law and Justice, CASE Bulletin, July, 1990 ***** "One day, I hope in the next ten years, I trust that we will have more Christian day schools than there are public schools. I hope I will live to see the day when, as in the early days of our country, we won't have any public schools. The churches will have taken over them over again and Christians will be running them. What a happy day that will be! --Jerry Falwell, America Can Be Saved, 1979 ***** "The Supreme Court of the supposedly Christian United States guaranteed the moral collapse of this nation when it forbade children in the public schools to pray to the God of Jacob, to learn of His moral law or even view in their classrooms the heart of the law, the Ten Commandments, which children must obey for their own good or disobey at their peril." --Pat Robertson, The New World Order, 1991 ***** "The public school system is damned. Let me tell you how radical I am. Christian students should be in Christian schools. If you have to sell your car, live in a smaller house, or work a night job, put your child in Christian schools. If you can't afford it ž homeschool." --Jerry Falwell, "Trends in Christian Higher Education," Regent University, 9/22/93 ***** "[I]f Christians are charged with exercising dominion in all spheres of life (Gen. 2:26-28), to abandon public education to Satan is to compromise our calling. The attitude and approach of Christians should be that they never expose their children to public education, but that they should work increasingly to expose public education to the claims of Christ. Certain specially suited Christians, in fact, should pray and work tirelessly to obtain teaching and school board and even administrative posts within public education. The penultimate goal of these Christians should be the privatization of these larcenous institutions, and the ultimate aim the bringing of them under the authority of Christ and His word." --Rev. Andrew Sandlin, Chalcedon Report, March, 1994 ***** "The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ." --D. James Kennedy, "Education: Public Problems and Private Solutions," Coral Ridge Ministries, 1993 "We are a great threat to public schools. We may have to get rid of them." --Robert Simonds, CEE, speech, 3/6/93, Glen Mills, PA ***** "Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western world." --James Dobson, quoted in PFAW's FOF report 5/23/93 ******** Join us! Membership of $25 includes a subscription to the award-winning journal Church & State. Americans United for Separation of Church and State 1816 Jefferson Place NW, Washington, DC 20036-2505; 202-466-3234; americansunited@au.org -!- GEcho 1.11+ ! Origin: The Flaming Chalice, Rochester, NY (1:2613/240) ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR ... Jesus Christ: Imaginary Playmate to Millions of Adults! ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Sandman Subject: Re: Quotes Date: Fri Mar 07 01:48:31 CST 1997 Message number: 66 Reply to message number: 65 S> "There are 15,700 school districts in America. When we get an active S> Christian parents' committee in operation in all districts, we can take S> complete control of all local school boards. This would allow us to S> determine all local policy; select good textbooks; good curriculum S> programs; superintendents and principals. Our time has come!" S> Fortunately, there are still people like me in those districts who vote. :) As a matter of fact, this year a church school tried a power play in my district and lost big time. The district was busing all their students to the church school. With budget cuts, etc., the district was scrambling to find ways to carry on, one of which was to rearrange bus schedules. They sent letters to all the parents of the church school kids and asked if they could start a half hor later so they could rearrange the buses. None of the parents OR the school answered the letter. They sent another letter. Again, no answer at all. So,after 2 months, the district cancelled the church school bus entirely and sent the parents all letters telling them to find another way to get the kids to school. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Sandman Subject: Re: Quotes Date: Fri Mar 07 17:00:23 CST 1997 Message number: 67 Reply to message number: 65 S> "I imagine every Christian would agree that we need to remove the S> humanism from the public schools. There is only one way to accomplish S> this: to abolish the public schools." S> "We are a great threat to public schools. We may have to get rid of S> them." Amen to that! Once you mix alternate religions, "unsure/undecided" children (like about 90% that go through confirmation), and general dissidents into the Christian schools - guess what happens! The good little Christians get corrupted by golly! It's no longer a Christian school! No more havens, down with heaven! Yup. Just because you live under a dictatorship doesn't mean you like it. *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: All Subject: Democracy Date: Mon Mar 24 00:02:34 CST 1997 Message number: 68 Reply to message number: unavailable I saw this on another BBS: Democracy is a governmental form where you are free to wonder aloud if this government would be better under better management. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Sandman Subject: Re: Quotes Date: Wed Mar 26 19:22:06 CST 1997 Message number: 69 Reply to message number: 65 S> "Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the S> agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western S> world." Dobson is one of my least favorite people. It is nice that the Christian Coilition has found that children are the future, all they need now is to come up with flawless brainwash and they will be happy. (Sorry I'm a bitter result of partial christian education.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Starfire Subject: Re: Quotes Date: Wed Mar 26 22:53:20 CST 1997 Message number: 70 Reply to message number: 69 S> Dobson is one of my least favorite people. It is nice that the Christian S> (Sorry I'm a bitter result of partial christian education.) No kidding. The most vicious, thoughtless woman I ever met went on for hours simpering about how much she loved Dobson and played him all the time for her children. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFIRE To: Froggy Subject: Re: Quotes Date: Thu Mar 27 17:50:04 CST 1997 Message number: 71 Reply to message number: 70 F> No kidding. The most vicious, thoughtless woman I ever met went on F> for hours simpering about how much she loved Dobson and played him all the F> time for her children. In my favorite time of my life, the time when I needed to ask questions and get guidance from my parents, all I ever remember is a lot of Focus on the Family on my father's desk. They still don't ask me anything important. Dobson did this "family" no good.