------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: Reveries Date: Thu Oct 13 16:52:00 CDT 1994 Message number: 1 Reply to message number: unavailable This area is a place to discuss memories and reflections of an earlier era; A base to discuss the old "remember when ..." games we all muse upon from time to time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JERRY SPRINGER To: Gregor Samsa Subject: Re: Cobain Date: Sun Sep 24 05:33:57 CDT 1995 Message number: 2 Reply to message number: -2 JS> But, there are still bands out there who won't bow down to the JS> capitalist machine. GS> Yes there are. Number me in their midst! Hmm...branded, and herded (now what the hell am I talking about!?) JS> maybe later I will post the lyrics to a song about it. GS> GS> Do so and I might just bring your words to fruition! Alright then, here ya go..."Appliances and Cars", but I Spy "This isn't business, it's our hopes and it's our voice. You're not a product, so tell them you can't be bought. I don't want corporate backing, five hundred thousand bucks a year, that's not what it's about, it's something so much more. More than money. Dissent roled into words. Theyy don't belong here. Do you really think they care? This music belongs to us, it's finally something we control. I won't let it get torn away. It won't be torn away. What's the message sent, doesn't really mean a thing, when your actions contradict your words. I don't want to play, you can keep your quarter, I'll have no part. I won't stay in line or keep in order. Yeah, you know what it means. Hey Mr. Superstar do you really believe we care? you think you're saying something? You're saying fucking nothing. Your message is killed, by that paycheck in your hand. It's already hard at work as your capitalist machine destroys. What's the message sent, doesn't really mean a thing, when your actions contradict your words. I don't want to play, you can keep your quarter, I'll have no part. I won't stay in line or keep in order. You don't know what it means. To me the message is the most important thing. Communication is more important than entertainment. This music saved my life, so I'll be dead and fucking gone before its bought and sold just like APPLIANCES AND CARS. sorry, can't finish replying to the rest of the post, time is running out.. -JS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: Media-X Date: Sun Sep 24 06:39:25 CDT 1995 Message number: 3 Reply to message number: 1 F> commercial pressures, what would happen if you decided to drink only organic F> milk? JS> JS> Everyone is an individual, and everone is confuse. Some of us just mor JS> than others. Yes, everyone is an individual. Everyone is NOT confused. Sone people know exactly where they stand. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JERRY SPRINGER To: Froggy Subject: Re: Polka Date: Sun Oct 29 10:37:04 CST 1995 Message number: 4 Reply to message number: -4 F> Isn't this what we are talking about? The problem is that the medi F> has become very skilled at bending people's thoughts, including using F> techniques of hypnotism, and in a few cases, brainwashing and sublimation. I don't know how much I believe of that...some yes, but all, no. I guess, the CEO's of the big companies are normal people, but they are consumed by greed. I don't think they want to hurt people, but sometimes they do get in the way...it's all of our faults. We let ourselves become consumed by superficial things, and greed, and let the compnaies lead us by the hand into a different world. -Springer that almost makes sense. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JERRY SPRINGER To: Froggy Subject: Re: Media-X Date: Sun Oct 29 10:37:59 CST 1995 Message number: 5 Reply to message number: -3 F> If you think you are really an individual and free of social and F> commercial pressures, what would happen if you decided to drink only organic F> milk? Nope, I'm not an individual though....well just as much as anybody else, which is enough to say the least. We're all different. -Springer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JERRY SPRINGER To: Froggy Subject: Re: Media-X Date: Sun Oct 29 10:40:16 CST 1995 Message number: 6 Reply to message number: 3 F> Yes, everyone is an individual. Everyone is NOT confused. Sone F> people know exactly where they stand. You really think so? It just doesn't quite seem that way to me. I think the majority of us are constantly growing, thus explaining the confusion. And, you can't always see the confusion...it's deeper than just on the surface. -Springer ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: Polka Date: Sun Oct 29 13:18:35 CST 1995 Message number: 7 Reply to message number: 4 JS> the way...it's all of our faults. We let ourselves become consumed by JS> superficial things, and greed, and let the compnaies lead us by the hand in JS> a different world. JS> That is true. That is why we are publishing the Directory, so that people will be more able to lead themselves and not be led. JS> I don't know how much I believe of that...some yes, but all, no. I gue JS> the CEO's of the big companies are normal people, but they are consumed by It is not the CEOs that are doing this kind of manipulating. It is their hired staff of advertisers whose JOB it is to convince people that this headache pill is the best possible cure. Then there is the media. Not only are they motivated by the profit from selling these products, but like many other people, have been brainwashed themselves and do not see other options. My mother told me all her life that smoking couldn't be harmful because if it was they wouldn't be allowed to sell it. Then she died of lung cancer. Who was at fault? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: Media-X Date: Sun Oct 29 13:25:02 CST 1995 Message number: 8 Reply to message number: 6 F> Yes, everyone is an individual. Everyone is NOT confused. Sone F> people know exactly where they stand. JS> JS> You really think so? It just doesn't quite seem that way to me. I thi I really think that most people are quite certain about a few things, a few people are totally confused, and a few people are very little confused. JS> the majority of us are constantly growing, thus explaining the confusion. I don't think growth necessarily causes confusion (unless hormones are involved :) ). Growth does often add information previously unknown and trigger a reevaluation and a change of mind. I do not think this is confusion though. I think it is growth. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JAIZMAIN To: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: Polka Date: Mon Nov 06 11:26:50 CST 1995 Message number: 9 Reply to message number: 4 JS> let the compnaies lead us by the hand in JS> a different world. A world where their chemicals are prevalent A world where possessions define the man A world where self-interest is the primary motivation A world like this is not worth the time Jaizmain ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JAIZMAIN To: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: Media-X Date: Mon Nov 06 11:29:18 CST 1995 Message number: 10 Reply to message number: 6 JS> And, you can't always see the confusion...it's deeper than just on the JS> surface. We are the blind leading the blind. TV. radio, popular trends, peer pressure. How many people can HONESTLY prove they have an original thought? jaizmain ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JAIZMAIN To: Froggy Subject: Re: Polka Date: Mon Nov 06 11:32:27 CST 1995 Message number: 11 Reply to message number: 7 F> Then there is the media. Not only F> are they motivated by the profit from selling these products, but like many F> other people, have been brainwashed themselves and do not see other options. What a psychological twist, huh? Trends follow the direction of the strongest. We have created our own reality. jaizmain ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Jaizmain Subject: Re: Polka Date: Mon Nov 06 12:19:01 CST 1995 Message number: 12 Reply to message number: 9 J> A world where their chemicals are prevalent J> A world where possessions define the man J> A world where self-interest is the primary motivation J> A world like this is not worth the time Some of us are trying to build better. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JAIZMAIN To: Froggy Subject: Re: Polka Date: Tue Nov 07 04:40:11 CST 1995 Message number: 13 Reply to message number: 12 J> A world where their chemicals are prevalent J> A world where possessions define the man J> A world where self-interest is the primary motivation J> A world like this is not worth the time F> F> Some of us are trying to build better. Isn't it true that the polution is so prevalent, not even the continents turning over and recycling will eliminate what human's have added to this ecosystem. It seems we can only hope we don't destroy ourselves. Even after all this, we will grow old, deteriorate, fade away. No sense to it. No hope to ACTUALLY make things better. Jaizmain ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Jaizmain Subject: Re: Polka Date: Tue Nov 07 06:26:30 CST 1995 Message number: 14 Reply to message number: 13 F> Some of us are trying to build better. J> J> Isn't it true that the polution is so prevalent, not even the continents J> turning over and recycling will eliminate what human's have added to this J> ecosystem. It seems we can only hope we don't destroy ourselves. Even afte J> all this, we will grow old, deteriorate, fade away. No sense to it. No hop J> to ACTUALLY make things better. Depends on how you see "better". If we start cleaning up now, we may or may not be able to roll back all the pollution. But if we do not start cleaning up and continue to pollute at the rate we have been, things are going to get very bad indeed. Every can I pick up makes the road better for those behind me. I do not believe that I can pick up all the cans by myself or even that some lamebrain will not toss out more cans. But I think it makes more sense to try than to just shrug and give up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JAIZMAIN To: Froggy Subject: Re: Polka Date: Wed Nov 08 22:12:15 CST 1995 Message number: 15 Reply to message number: 14 F> But I think it makes F> more sense to try than to just shrug and give up. Without question true. If a person has decided that this life is worth the effort, that person should immediately try to make it better. Those that decide it is not worth the effort, have taken an action toward their belief system. They have not given up. Then there are those who shrug... why isn't education at the top of the priority list for our government? jaizmain ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Jaizmain Subject: Re: Media-X Date: Mon Nov 20 03:05:40 CST 1995 Message number: 16 Reply to message number: 10 J> How many people can HONESTLY prove they have an original thought? Feh. How can you prove you've had *a* thought? Go read _Mr. Sammler's Planet_, it deals with exactly this issue. Imitation is inevitable, provided one wants to stay within a society and "do good", which is to say, be constructive. The alternatives are to be insane(in which case you'll have plenty of original thought - maybe), or to withdraw from society, and if everyone did that, there wouldn't be* a society. Better to accept the inevitability of imitation, and then to imitate "good" things. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Jaizmain Subject: Re: Polka Date: Mon Nov 20 03:12:59 CST 1995 Message number: 17 Reply to message number: 13 J> ecosystem. It seems we can only hope we don't destroy ourselves. Even afte That's the hope of any* organism. Granted, most of the ones that are extinct now weren't self-aware, but on an instinctive level, they held a thought something like "I don't want to die". Humans, like all animals, have this same quality. We've just invented better ways of stopping the life functions of other animals. J> ecosystem. It seems we can only hope we don't destroy ourselves. Even afte J> all this, we will grow old, deteriorate, fade away. No sense to it. No hop J> to ACTUALLY make things better. Sure we can. You're speaking like there's zero chance of reaching a state of equilibrium, which just isn't true. New technologies will allow for the mining of other planets(I'm thinking nanotech, actually...), the preservation of the environment, etc. The real question is "Will* we do all that, once the option becomes a reality?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: Polka Date: Mon Nov 20 03:35:16 CST 1995 Message number: 18 Reply to message number: 17 BH> Sure we can. You're speaking like there's zero chance of reaching a st BH> of equilibrium, which just isn't true. New technologies will allow for the Are you familiar with the concept of entrophy? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Froggy Subject: Re: Polka Date: Mon Nov 20 11:25:44 CST 1995 Message number: 19 Reply to message number: 18 F> Are you familiar with the concept of entrophy? Of course I am. When I say "equilibrium", I didn't mean perfection. Hell, entropy winds up preserving the totality of any system. By equilibrium I meant that things would become something remotely pertaining to stable, but not any certain One Way. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: Polka Date: Mon Nov 20 11:37:49 CST 1995 Message number: 20 Reply to message number: 19 BH> Hell, entropy winds up preserving the totality of any system. By equilibri BH> I meant that things would become something remotely pertaining to stable, b BH> not any certain One Way. I see. The equilibrium that reaveals that everything is proceding toward entrophy. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Froggy Subject: Re: Polka Date: Wed Nov 22 13:20:59 CST 1995 Message number: 21 Reply to message number: 20 F> I see. The equilibrium that reaveals that everything is proceding F> toward entrophy. :) Well, yeah. When a system gets to be One Way and doesn't change, it then becomes very vulnerable to catastrophe(I love cybernetics). Therefore, some degree of slack or "play" must be built into the system to insure its survivaly. However, too much slack will topple the system. I've said it before and I'll say it now: "Balance in all things, but above all, intelligence." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JAIZMAIN To: Briareos Hecatonchires Subject: Re: Polka Date: Tue Nov 28 21:59:44 CST 1995 Message number: 22 Reply to message number: 17 BH> Sure we can. You're speaking like there's zero chance of reaching a st BH> of equilibrium, which just isn't true. New technologies will allow for the BH> mining of other planets(I'm thinking nanotech, actually...), the preservati BH> of the environment, etc. The real question is "Will* we do all that, once BH> option becomes a reality?" This argument is being applied to all of humanity. Humanity will continue to progress. But the individual who contribute, grow old, deteriorate, get sick, feel pain, lose mind, etc. Since we have no REAL idea what happens before and after this life, it becomes impossible to accept this existence as anything but savage. Jaizmain ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BRIAREOS HECATONCHIRES To: Jaizmain Subject: Re: Polka Date: Wed Nov 29 15:40:50 CST 1995 Message number: 23 Reply to message number: 21 J> This argument is being applied to all of humanity. Humanity will continue t Er...which argument? I'm sorry... J> This argument is being applied to all of humanity. Humanity will continue t J> progress. ...unless it's destroyed by something, which is most likely mankind. J> feel pain, lose mind, etc. Since we have no REAL idea what happens before a J> after this life, it becomes impossible to accept this existence as anything J> but savage. No it doesn't. There's no way to know what comes before and after life; logically, any statements about what it's like are pure speculation and have zero logical basis. In light of that, interpolations about the classification of what we loosely call "life" are just as much speculation, since we have nothing to compare it to. Even if pre-birth and post-death were two different states with different "realities", then it's still stupid to form an opinion about Our Time on Earth with respect to the other two states. As far as we know, the only stuff that exists is what we observe; matter, energy, the whole lot of it. Statements that there's anything more is an opinion. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MAILER DAEMON To: All Subject: Left Hand Shake Date: Fri May 17 05:14:08 CDT 1996 Message number: 24 Reply to message number: unavailable The beginning is a bit stale, but read on ... :) (The Timothy Leary Home Page) Here is my Health Summary --------------------------------------------------------- (5/16/96) Mental Status: * The Good spirits of last month have expanded -- probable cause: I treasure the moments of mobility, dexterity, friendship, and mental clarity. Physical status: * I am developing methods and technologies to delay the ultimate onset of pain, coma, helplessness, and indignity which await. Hi-Tech Designer Dying is occupying most of my time. * During March, an infection caused skin sores on my hands. These are completely healed via antibiotics. * The cancer spot on my left buttock caused tremendous pain during March. * My main pain reliever is a phentynol patch which I stick to my body every three days. This produces a state of sedated euphoria (I feel mellow and high). This eliminates pain and maintains a gentle, sedative, euphoric state. When "breakthrough" pain occurs I use one or two dilaudid. * At this moment my cancer seems to be in remission. I am unable to walk without the use of a wheelchair. My zippy hot rod wheel-chair rules the road. --------------------------------------------------------- Average Daily Input of Neuro-Active Drugs: May 6 to May 16, 1996 TOBACCO * 30 cigarettes CAFFEINE * 1/2 cup of coffee L E G A L WINE & BEER * 1 glass of white wine ALCOHOL * 1/2 glass of tequila PRESCRIPTION * Phentynol patch DRUGS * 1 prescription pain pill (dilaudid) MARIJUANA * 1 Leary biscuit * 1 bong hit I L L E G A L COCAINE & SPEED * 1/2 line cocaine NITROUS * 16 balloons of Nitrous Oxide PSYCHEDELICS * .15cc ketamine OPIATES none April 29 to May 5, 1996 TOBACCO * 40 cigarettes CAFFEINE * 1 cup of coffee WINE & BEER * 2 glasses of wine ALCOHOL * 1 tequila MARIJUANA * 2 Leary biscuits PRESCRIPTION * Phentynol patch * 1 prescription pain pill (dilaudid) COCAINE & SPEED * 1/2 line cocaine NITROUS * 12 balloons of Nitrous Oxide PSYCHEDELICS * .15cc ketamine OPIATES none ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Mailer Daemon Subject: Re: Left Hand Shake Date: Fri May 17 07:10:59 CDT 1996 Message number: 25 Reply to message number: 24 MD> * The Good spirits of last month have expanded -- probable MD> cause: I treasure the moments of mobility, dexterity, MD> friendship, and mental clarity. MD> MD> MD> TOBACCO * 30 cigarettes MD> CAFFEINE * 1/2 cup of coffee MD> MD> L E G A L WINE & BEER * 1 glass of white wine MD> ALCOHOL * 1/2 glass of tequila MD> PRESCRIPTION * Phentynol patch MD> DRUGS * 1 prescription pain pill (dilaudid) MD> MD> MARIJUANA * 1 Leary biscuit MD> * 1 bong hit MD> MD> * I am developing methods and technologies to delay the ultimate MD> onset of pain, coma, helplessness, and indignity which await. MD> Hi-Tech Designer Dying is occupying most of my time. I wonder if he thinks that anyone will think that there will be anything left in his frozen head to make it worth the effort to defrost it later. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Froggy Subject: Re: Left Hand Shake Date: Fri May 24 18:08:21 CDT 1996 Message number: 26 Reply to message number: 25 F> I wonder if he thinks that anyone will think that there will be F> anything left in his frozen head to make it worth the effort to defrost it F> later. Timothy Leary has become disillusioned with the cryogenics business, and seems to have gievn up on that route to immortality. I'm hoping to find a way to get my computer to play a non-Os/2-friendly multimedia CD here, with samples from Timothy Leary ("Left hand Shake"). Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to want to cooperate with me. Damn Bill Gates and his software oligopoly ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Left Hand Shake Date: Fri May 24 23:31:13 CDT 1996 Message number: 27 Reply to message number: 26 F> I wonder if he thinks that anyone will think that there will be F> anything left in his frozen head to make it worth the effort to defrost it F> later. DR> DR> Timothy Leary has become disillusioned with the cryogenics business, and DR> seems to have gievn up on that route to immortality. DR> Really? I hadn't heard that. The last time I saw him on TV, he seemed to be very excited about it. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: Left Hand Shake Date: Sat May 25 06:14:13 CDT 1996 Message number: 28 Reply to message number: 26 DR> Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to want to cooperate with me. Damn Bill Gate DR> and his software oligopoly ... Damn him also because of that 640K ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MAILER DAEMON To: All Subject: Them 50s Date: Wed Jun 12 09:56:29 CDT 1996 Message number: 29 Reply to message number: unavailable 06-10-96 ACLU Newsfeed -- ACLU News Direct to YOU! *Those Weren't the Days, My Friend* By Ira Glasser New York, June 9 -- Pick up any newspaper or turn on the TV and you'll find there's a 50's revival going on. I'm not talking about the Broadway musical "Grease" playing down the block here in Times Square. I'm talking about the new merchants of virtue, whose theme song seems to be "those were the days." We hear it from Jesse Helms, who has become an art critic, and from members of Congress and even presidential candidates, who have become film and movie critics. We hear it from William Bennett, author of The Book of Virtues, and from Gertrude Himmelfarb and Newt Gingrich, who talk to us about the need to revive Victorian morality. We hear it from Rush Limbaugh, who tells us about the ways things ought to be, when he's really talking about the way things used to be. Why is it, I wonder, that those who yearn for the good old days have so much in common with good ole boys? Over and over again we see headlines and polls telling us that we are a nation in moral decline, that something terrible happened in the sixties that loosened the wonderful moral bonds of the fifties. Recent news stories have even suggested that the disturbed behavior of Theodore Kaczynski, the accused Unabomber, was somehow caused by the protest movements of the sixties. Shortly after Kaczynski was apprehended, The New York Times wrote that "Mr. Kaczynski's sharp turn away from society occurred after he spent several years in the 1960s on two college campuses -- Ann Arbor, Michigan and Berkeley, California -- that were seedbeds of a counterculture that reacted profoundly against not only the war in Vietnam, but against materialism and many of society's standards as well." And a story last week in The New York Times quoted one observer as saying that Kaczynski was "a product of what was in the air." But what was in the air was not nihilism or a rejection of society but its opposite: a reaction against social injustice and a growing, passionate movement to remedy it. The sixties were in fact a time of moral rejuvenation, of rebellion against many injustices, a time of optimism and belief in the capacity of politics and protest to right civil wrongs. Many of us who were young during that time were transformed by it. I myself was also a graduate mathematics student with a bright future in that field, and taught mathematics at several colleges. Driven by my passion for social justice and the magnetic attractions of an opportunity to do something about it, I, too, was one of those who left mathematics and chose a radically different course. So did many others. Very few of us ended up as hermits and virtually none of us as mad bombers. Theodore Kaczynski was a disturbed person and perhaps the context of his life led him to act out that disturbance in particular ways. But it oversimplifies and demeans the alchemy of that time to suggest that the turmoil of the sixties somehow produced demented behavior. For most of us, it produced instead precisely the opposite: constructive lives devoted to human rights and social justice, and real changes that have made today's America a more moral place than the country we grew up in during the 1950s. Abolishing the gross abuses of individual rights in so short a time as we did was arguably the greatest moral advance this nation or any other nation has ever experienced. Think about it: during the fifties, racial segregation and subjugation was the permissible law of the land, enforced by state-sanctioned terror. Throughout the South, people of darker skin color, for that reason alone, were not permitted to vote, serve on juries, enjoy public accommodations like restaurants, movie theaters, hotels and swimming pools, enroll in "white" public schools or even use "white" public toilets. And they were not infrequently beaten or killed if they tried. While all this was going on, children prayed every day in Southern schools. Was that a model of morality? During the fifties, throughout the country, women were largely limited to the role of wife and mother, denied equal opportunity in education and employment and often forced to risk degradation and death to terminate a pregnancy: it was not until 1965 that laws prohibiting even married couples from obtaining contraceptives were struck down by the Supreme Court. Women everywhere, including conservative women, benefitted from that decision, and it was an advance for morality, not a retreat. During the fifties, gay men and lesbians lived secret lives, terrorized by the fear of revelation; their most intimate, personal relationships criminalized in more than half the states. And the disabled were hidden away, their physical disabilities compounded by imposed social and economic restrictions. And free speech wasn't so free either in the fifties: loyalty oaths prevailed, the Attorney General kept a list of disapproved political organizations, the FBI infiltrated and harassed people whose views J. Edgar Hoover didn't like, and congressional committees summoned citizens to account for their political beliefs and associations and rat on their friends. Those who refused often lost their jobs and some even went to jail. Yes, those certainly were the days. But they were not moral days. The sixties, above all else, were a time of civic virtue, and the credit for confronting immoral situations and changing them belongs to the protest movements of that time. Those who pretend differently are revising history. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Ira Glasser is the Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: All Subject: The first time Date: Tue Oct 29 17:38:59 CST 1996 Message number: 30 Reply to message number: unavailable Since it's kinda slow, here's a little trick to get the convo going - what was your impression of Dissent the first time you called it? Besides Teebo and myself, no current active user was around at the very beginning ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: The first time Date: Tue Oct 29 18:46:09 CST 1996 Message number: 31 Reply to message number: 30 DR> Since it's kinda slow, here's a little trick to get the convo going - what DR> was your impression of Dissent the first time you called it? Besides Teebo DR> myself, no current active user was around at the very beginning ... I was immediately paranoid because your software asked me my social Security Number and to leave a note to some strange man. Seriously considered not calling back. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: The first time Date: Wed Oct 30 13:44:46 CST 1996 Message number: 32 Reply to message number: 30 DR> was your impression of Dissent the first time you called it? Besides Teebo DR> myself, no current active user was around at the very beginning ... Ah yes, the good old days... Before the Beav went off to college, Mom still baked apple pies while Dad read the newspaper, and my good friend Walle- oh wait, that was television. Silly me. It was really interesting, at first it seemed like just another renegade board - but this one didn't have the typical bickering about Christina Applegate and 0-Day warez. In it's place, there was a population of thuggish generation-xers that cussed with elequence, while making what would seem like an awkward composition of topics centering around drug use, computer hacking, and politics all come together to seem like pure poetry of the intellectual. And I also remmember saying alot of stupid things. I was 13-14. I downloaded the entire file base.. Yep, still have it on disk. DR got mad. :) I uploaded lots of files to make up for it. It had it's points where people would start freaking out, saying "Oh my god, the message bases are dying, is this place going down!?" and then next month - or when school would get out - it would hit 30 a day easily.. Kind of like now.. I think I learned more from the first two years that I was on here than I could of in several years of school, I learned alot about other people and how they lived - it opened my mind up and exposed me to things that I probably never would of been, and alot of people on here helped me out of difficult situations that I might not of been able to handle. ... So there's my advertisement! Come and join the family, feel like you belong to a community! You've got a friend here on Dissent! *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STARFOX To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: The first time Date: Wed Oct 30 14:22:04 CST 1996 Message number: 33 Reply to message number: 30 DR> was your impression of Dissent the first time you called it? Besides Teebo Yuck.. Discussion without "FUCK THIS" .. well it was then.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Froggy Subject: Re: The first time Date: Wed Oct 30 17:34:45 CST 1996 Message number: 34 Reply to message number: 31 DR> Since it's kinda slow, here's a little trick to get the convo going - what DR> was your impression of Dissent the first time you called it? Besides Teebo DR> myself, no current active user was around at the very beginning ... F> F> I was immediately paranoid because your software asked me my F> social Security Number and to leave a note to some strange man. Seriously F> considered not calling back. Moahahahahhaa. It's all part of the Illuminatus conspiracy, you see. I collect the social security numbers, and pass them along to my cabal leader. He, in turn, feeds them into the Great Machine. From there, no one knows what happens ... just that if your number's not in there, you will never - I repeat never - win anything in the Publisher's Clearing House swwepstakes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Big Teebo Subject: Re: The first time Date: Wed Oct 30 17:40:27 CST 1996 Message number: 35 Reply to message number: 32 BT> Ah yes, the good old days... Before the Beav went off to college, Mom stil BT> baked apple pies while Dad read the newspaper, and my good friend Walle- oh BT> wait, that was television. Silly me. Had to be done. BT> generation-xers that cussed with elequence, while making what would seem li BT> an awkward composition of topics centering around drug use, computer hackin BT> and politics all come together to seem like pure poetry of the intellectual What's interesting is that if you look back and pick any day at random, most of the messages aren't memorable ... a lot of the conversations are about meaningless (in the long run) current events, what's going on in our lives, and of course the usual vapid chatter. But we don't remember that, we remember the memorable bits - the messages that make us think, the ones that show us a different way of looking at things. And from that perspective, Dissent is as alive today as it was one or even two years ago. BT> It had it's points where people would start freaking out, saying "Oh my god BT> the message bases are dying, is this place going down!?" and then next mont BT> or when school would get out - it would hit 30 a day easily.. Kind of like BT> now.. Yep, though the board does need more new users ... you still haven't gotten the new number in Computer User yet, have you? :-) The users that got the number from there were usually sort of lame, but even if 1/20 sticks around for a bit it's worth it methinks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: FROGGY To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: The first time Date: Thu Oct 31 12:12:47 CST 1996 Message number: 36 Reply to message number: 34 DR> Moahahahahhaa. DR> DR> It's all part of the Illuminatus conspiracy, you see. I collect the social DR> security numbers, and pass them along to my cabal leader. He, in turn, feed DR> them into the Great Machine. From there, no one knows what happens ... just DR> that if your number's not in there, you will never - I repeat never - win DR> anything in the Publisher's Clearing House swwepstakes. That's funny. Just today, I got a letter in the mail that said, "Please order more magazines to remain eligible for our Sweepstakes." Must be part of the Dairy Queen Democracy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SPECTER To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: The first time Date: Thu Oct 31 15:47:12 CST 1996 Message number: 37 Reply to message number: 30 DR> Since it's kinda slow, here's a little trick to get the convo going - what DR> was your impression of Dissent the first time you called it? Besides Teebo DR> myself, no current active user was around at the very beginning ... Like Froggy I was a bit struck by the question about my social security number. After getting access I was amazed by the sheer number of messages there were to read (or not). After reading a few I was impressed that the conversations here showed intellectual thought. I liked it and here I am. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: The first time Date: Fri Nov 01 01:19:35 CST 1996 Message number: 38 Reply to message number: 34 DR> security numbers, and pass them along to my cabal leader. He, in turn, feed DR> them into the Great Machine. From there, no one knows what happens ... just You know, I've already gotten three.. *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: BIG TEEBO To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: The first time Date: Fri Nov 01 01:20:33 CST 1996 Message number: 39 Reply to message number: 35 DR> Yep, though the board does need more new users ... you still haven't gotte DR> the new number in Computer User yet, have you? :-) The users that got the DR> number from there were usually sort of lame, but even if 1/20 sticks around DR> for a bit it's worth it methinks. I did call Gizmode and ask it to be changed, we'll see.. *teebo ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SANDMAN To: DAEDALUS RISING Subject: The first time Date: Fri Nov 01 13:13:06 CST 1996 Message number: 40 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Daedalus Rising to All <=- DR> Since it's kinda slow, here's a little trick to get the convo going DR> - what was your impression of Dissent the first time you called it? DR> Besides Teebo and myself, no current active user was around at the very DR> beginning ... Well at National headquarters of TCFA (Thought Control Fascists of America we got word of this radically liberal BBS. I was immediately dispatched to gather information on the operators and users of this bbs. All messages have been documented to which user have posted them and these users will recieve an ALL EXPENSES PAID "VACATION" to are Thought Correction Facility in a *UNDISCLOSED LOCATION* where the evil ideas of freedom will be eliminated and will be replaced with the concepts of obedience. Enjoy. ... Exercise your right to arm and keep bears! ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Sandman Subject: Re: The first time Date: Fri Nov 01 17:56:08 CST 1996 Message number: 41 Reply to message number: 40 S> All messages have been documented to which user have posted them S> and these users will recieve an ALL EXPENSES PAID "VACATION" to S> are Thought Correction Facility in a *UNDISCLOSED LOCATION* where S> the evil ideas of freedom will be eliminated and will be replaced S> with the concepts of obedience. Do I get to keep the frequent flier miles? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: SANDMAN To: DAEDALUS RISING Subject: Re: The first time Date: Sat Nov 02 22:15:22 CST 1996 Message number: 42 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Daedalus Rising to Sandman <=- S> All messages have been documented to which user have posted them S> and these users will recieve an ALL EXPENSES PAID "VACATION" to S> are Thought Correction Facility in a *UNDISCLOSED LOCATION* where S> the evil ideas of freedom will be eliminated and will be replaced S> with the concepts of obedience. DR> Do I get to keep the frequent flier miles? Don't worry you'll be on the inside soon. Join the RIGHT side and you will always be Right with us. Freedom is bad. Bad I tell you! Freedom is bad. ... "Bother," said Sturmbannfuhrer Pooh at Nuremberg. ___ Blue Wave/DOS v2.30 [NR] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DARING DIANE J. To: DAEDALUS RISING Subject: DR is overbooked Date: Fri Nov 08 05:01:26 CST 1996 Message number: 43 Reply to message number: unavailable -=> Quoting Daedalus Rising to Froggy <=- what DR> was your impression of Dissent the first time you called it? Besides Teeb DR> what happens ... just that if your number's not in there, you will DR> never - I repeat never - win anything in the Publisher's Clearing DR> House swwepstakes. DR has overdosed on college studying, methinks. Do you get enough physical exercise? ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOLAN To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: The first time Date: Thu Nov 14 15:53:35 CST 1996 Message number: 44 Reply to message number: 30 DR> Since it's kinda slow, here's a little trick to get the convo going - what DR> was your impression of Dissent the first time you called it? Besides Teebo DR> myself, no current active user was around at the very beginning ... when I called the first incarnation of dissent, I was rather quiet (an still am, except for the occasional mindless rant..) I thought it was rather unique because no one really shot you down for actually using your BRAIN to post! most boards (thats not all, just most..) dont like it alot when there is someone with a brain on their board. If you dont play door games you suk is some boards policy. Anyway. I am very satisfied with this board, and there is quite some inspiration for me on here. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: NOLAN To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: The first time Date: Thu Nov 14 15:55:09 CST 1996 Message number: 45 Reply to message number: 34 DR> that if your number's not in there, you will never - I repeat never - win DR> anything in the Publisher's Clearing House swwepstakes. *whew* I'm glad I did that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: JER To: All Subject: re: first time Date: Mon Nov 18 21:20:28 CST 1996 Message number: 46 Reply to message number: unavailable I was scared. This a frightening place populated by really strange people with ideas that almost make you want to run away and cry. Why do they keep asking for my Social Security number? The other BBS's I visit don't ask for it! Niether does AOL and they must be my friend. Everyone hear has freaky names and I'm afraid they'll come to my house and try to kill me or rip down all my Bon Jovi poster. And then I suddenly realized that this is a place I could call home. (at least for 30 minutes a day) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Jer Subject: Re: re: first time Date: Wed Nov 20 19:07:15 CST 1996 Message number: 47 Reply to message number: 46 J> it! Niether does AOL and they must be my friend. Everyone hear has freaky J> names and I'm afraid they'll come to my house and try to kill me or rip down J> all my Bon Jovi poster. And then I suddenly realized that this is a place I Oh, man ... you have a Jon Bon Jovi poster? Call out the dogs, Teebo. Sic 'em. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DEVIOUS To: Daedalus Rising Subject: Re: re: first time Date: Mon Nov 25 15:41:53 CST 1996 Message number: 48 Reply to message number: 47 DR> Oh, man ... you have a Jon Bon Jovi poster? DR> DR> Call out the dogs, Teebo. Sic 'em. hehe.. YES!!!! Go Daedalus Rising, whoop @$$ on this man.. ehehe.. kickin' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THROCKMORTON To: DAEDULUS RISING Subject: Re: The first time Date: Tue Dec 03 11:42:22 CST 1996 Message number: 49 Reply to message number: unavailable N>DR> Since it's kinda slow, here's a little trick to get the convo going - >what >DR> was your impression of Dissent the first time you called it? Besides Tee N>DR> myself, no current active user was around at the very beginning ... My impression the first time, and still, is there's at least one person who posts here that's not wrapped to tight. And no, I mean besides myself. I've known for a long time that my elevator doesn't go all the way to the top. --- þ OLX 1.53 þ If you don't think women are explosive, drop one!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: DAEDALUS RISING To: Throckmorton Subject: Re: The first time Date: Tue Dec 03 15:41:36 CST 1996 Message number: 50 Reply to message number: 49 T> My impression the first time, and still, is there's at least one person T> who posts here that's not wrapped to tight. Is that a good or bad thing? T> I've known for a long time that my elevator doesn't go all the T> way to the top. Mine's stuck on the 13th floor. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: THROCKMORTON To: DAEDALUS RISING Subject: Re: The first time Date: Thu Dec 05 11:27:20 CST 1996 Message number: 51 Reply to message number: unavailable DR>T> My impression the first time, and still, is there's at least one person >T> who posts here that's not wrapped to tight. DR> Is that a good or bad thing? Both. Sometimes whoever's not wrapped to tight is entertaining, other times they're just disgusting. But I have to read the post to find out which one it is. --- þ OLX 1.53 þ CCITT- Can't Conceive Intelligent Thoughts Today ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TEMP To: All Subject: so Date: Fri Jul 25 13:39:59 CDT 1997 Message number: 52 Reply to message number: unavailable so write a poem proves yr crazy has an original thought serves as a key to the pearly gates. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: COSIMA To: Temp Subject: Re: so Date: Mon Jul 28 04:47:38 CDT 1997 Message number: 53 Reply to message number: 52 T> so write a poem T> proves yr crazy T> has an original thought T> serves as a key to the pearly gates. * i do music, it's the same kinda thing. -=c=- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: TEMP To: Cosima Subject: Re: so Date: Wed Jul 30 06:24:56 CDT 1997 Message number: 54 Reply to message number: 53 Music probably passes for art at the pearly gates... you can hum yr way through I will have to remember smething poetic if indeed they letme get that far. I hear they've been tightening up security .